KGatch113 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Do the models protected by the PFG have to be within the 3 inch radius completely, or just touching? For example, ringing a libby on bike with speeders, or a libby in TDA with dreads. Can the base be only partially in the circle??? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SvenONE Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 The base, in the case of vehicles it's the hull. Remember it's *models* not *units* and it's ALL models, including enemies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffJedi Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Any part of the base would count, same as with Flamers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Any part of the base would count, same as with Flamers. and plasma cannons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 The rules for measuring distances is found in the BRB, pg.4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InstantKarma Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Any part of the base would count, same as with Flamers. and plasma cannons ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flake Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Just keep in mind that the PFG was FAQ'd to isolate the bubble to the IC's model only. If you pop a PFG techmarine into a Landraider, you don't get a 3" bubble from the hull anymore. I enjoy equipping it on a ML1 Librarian with an infravisor, popping him in the back of some sniper scouts and then flanking him with tanks or dreads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SvenONE Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Just keep in mind that the PFG was FAQ'd to isolate the bubble to the IC's model only. If you pop a PFG techmarine into a Landraider, you don't get a 3" bubble from the hull anymore. I enjoy equipping it on a ML1 Librarian with an infravisor, popping him in the back of some sniper scouts and then flanking him with tanks or dreads. But if you still pop a techmarine behind a landraider (within the 3" ofc) it will still get the bonus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Just keep in mind that the PFG was FAQ'd to isolate the bubble to the IC's model only. If you pop a PFG techmarine into a Landraider, you don't get a 3" bubble from the hull anymore. I enjoy equipping it on a ML1 Librarian with an infravisor, popping him in the back of some sniper scouts and then flanking him with tanks or dreads. But if you still pop a techmarine behind a landraider (within the 3" ofc) it will still get the bonus! or a libby (either one will do, but the libby's a little easier to keep alive and might get a chance to use prescience) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facmanpob Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 ....and stick him on a bike for a bit more coverage (bigger base), toughness and mobility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[TA]Typher Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 ....and stick him on a bike for a bit more coverage (bigger base), toughness and mobility [/quote I'm curious to see this work. I like this idea but it's very un-deathwingy. It would be interesting to see how opponents work around it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGatch113 Posted October 9, 2013 Author Share Posted October 9, 2013 OK, so just to be clear, as long as part of the model is within 3 inches, it gets 4++..the whole model does not need to be inside the radius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 OK, so just to be clear, as long as part of the model is within 3 inches, it gets 4++..the whole model does not need to be inside the radius. Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 ....and stick him on a bike for a bit more coverage (bigger base), toughness and mobility [/quote I'm curious to see this work. I like this idea but it's very un-deathwingy. It would be interesting to see how opponents work around it. It is very un-deathwing-y. But damned effective! And before they nerfed the PFG to not have the bubble extend from the hull of the vehicle it's being carried in, you could have a chappy or libby carry it in TDA while attached to a squad of terminators, which is fluffy. Blame GW for this one, lol. Anyway, I'm no slave to fluff. Librarians are members of the inner circle even if they're not in TDA, so there's no logical reason they couldn't accompany an all-deathwing force while not wearing TDA...if there's a good reason for it. Maybe this particular librarian has some kind of psychic invisibility ability that makes him an ideal scout or sentry. That would be a great reason for the bike. Or maybe the PFG really doesn't work when enclosed in a metal box. The technical rules-based reason for taking the bike can be the fluff reason, too. Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisuzume Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Well, there are psychic powers, fluffwise, which make people forget you were ever there, iirc. Definitely useful in tracking the Fallen, afaik. So sticking him on a bike would definitely be possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facmanpob Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Narratives are easy..... Maybe he's a Librarian attached to some 2nd company bikers hunting the fallen. The 1st Company has arrived to prosecute the mission and the Libby has retired from the front line to meet up with the DW and escort them in, while the Ravenwing elements maintain a watch on the Fallen. On the way, an enemy force intercepts them and battle ensues..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InstantKarma Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Now even though the bubble doesn't extend 3in from the vehicle, the vehicle itself still benefits? So to hid my Dakka Pole Squad inside a LRC with a Techmarine attached with a PFG would benefit the LRC right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother dean Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 no. Quote from the FAQ. "If the bearer is embarked upon a transport vehicle, the power field's effects only apply to models embarked upon that vehicle." Doesn't say anything about the vehicle, just the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InstantKarma Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 no. Quote from the FAQ. "If the bearer is embarked upon a transport vehicle, the power field's effects only apply to models embarked upon that vehicle." Doesn't say anything about the vehicle, just the squad. So to get it on the vehicle, I'd need someone outside the vehicle and keep the vehicle within the 3 in. Ugh, I can see why they did that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flake Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Yeah, it's a huge nerf but it was needed. When DA originally came out I was fond of popping a Techmarine in a Land Raider and having it flanked by Dreads, all benefiting from the PFG. Even I could admit it was a bit cheese. But as is, the PFG is still a great piece of wargear. I especially like it for being model neutral: When I ally my Sisters of Battle with my DA, it really helps things like my Sisters Repentia (normally terrible on their own) find their footing on the battlefield. The PFG is synergistic with almost any shooting element in your army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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