Scribe Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 So, super high level, but can anyone confirm the following? 1. Lorgar unites Colchis. Much purging is done of the native faith which has Chaos roots. 2. Lorgar spreads the Word of the Emperor. 3. Lorgar is chastised for his stance on the Emperor as God. 4. Lorgar (due to Kor Phaeron and Erebus) is pushed into Chaos Worship eventually. 5. The Pilgrimage. Much purging is done while this is taking place. 6. Heresy. Istvaan III and V. 7. Calth. This is another purge in essence, if not a full on purge of loyalty as we saw in step 5. So the question I have is. At step 5, there is fluff to suggest that ALL the Terrans are killed. Is that still fact? At step 7, we have who exactly sent off to Calth? The most fanatical? The most driven by hatred of the Ultras? After all that is said, at the time of Unremembered Empire, do we know where Logar, and the rest of the Word Bearers are? Are they still just spread out among the 500 worlds? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Well, Xaphen of the Gal Vorbak was Terran born, and he died fighting Corax on Isstvan. Given that we've seen loyalists from the homeworld (Loken, Dantioch) and Terran born traitors (Ahriman, Sahaal, Khârn) while I think there was a purge I doubt it was as simple as "Kill all the Terrans" no matter what Kor Phaeron is saying ten thousand years later. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/#findComment-3488626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted October 7, 2013 Author Share Posted October 7, 2013 Indeed. I hate those kinds of limitations in the fluff, as they really tie a guys hands which is why I was hoping for some kind of refutation of that position in the more modern story (TFH and beyond I suppose.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/#findComment-3488632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Step 5 is something of a weird one. In Dark Creed, it was flat out said that all Terrans were purged. Marduk admits being part of that purge, but he says nothing on the nature of it. And then when we get to The First Heretic, Erebus makes mention of a purge, but I don't recall that many details of it. Basically, we can confirm that number 5 happened, but we cannot confirm the nature of the purge beyond what was said 10,000 years later in hushed whispers that most of the XVII don't even know about. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/#findComment-3488724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Well, Xaphen of the Gal Vorbak was Terran born, and he died fighting Corax on Isstvan.Xaphen was the Chaplain, and I'm pretty sure it was the Custode with the vow of silence who well silenced Xaphen... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/#findComment-3488765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Well, Xaphen of the Gal Vorbak was Terran born, and he died fighting Corax on Isstvan.Xaphen was the Chaplain, and I'm pretty sure it was the Custode with the vow of silence who well silenced Xaphen...You are correct. "I've always hated you, Xaphen." *boomguardianspeartothechest* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/#findComment-3488767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share Posted October 8, 2013 Step 5 is something of a weird one. In Dark Creed, it was flat out said that all Terrans were purged. Marduk admits being part of that purge, but he says nothing on the nature of it. And then when we get to The First Heretic, Erebus makes mention of a purge, but I don't recall that many details of it. Basically, we can confirm that number 5 happened, but we cannot confirm the nature of the purge beyond what was said 10,000 years later in hushed whispers that most of the XVII don't even know about. Yeah, that was my thinking. A purge happened, but ALL Terrans seems a bit much and arbitrary. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/#findComment-3488831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
facmanpob Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I would ignore Dark Creed on this one. The current Black Library stance is that anything published for the 40k era cannot be taken as exact canon when it references actions taken in the heresy, as they are being looked back on from 10,000 years in the future, so facts are forgotten, changed or deliberately misrepresented. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/#findComment-3489340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share Posted October 8, 2013 I'll run with that then. :] Thanks gents (or ladies?) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/#findComment-3489380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urauloth Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I would ignore Dark Creed Quote abbreviated into personal recommendation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/#findComment-3489390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Step 5 is something of a weird one. In Dark Creed, it was flat out said that all Terrans were purged. Marduk admits being part of that purge, but he says nothing on the nature of it. And then when we get to The First Heretic, Erebus makes mention of a purge, but I don't recall that many details of it. Basically, we can confirm that number 5 happened, but we cannot confirm the nature of the purge beyond what was said 10,000 years later in hushed whispers that most of the XVII don't even know about. Pretty much, yeah. In The First Heretic, I had to make mention of the Purge (and, of course, it totally made sense that there was one), but I also didn't want to confirm/add to the notion that it entirely cleansed the Legion of all its Terran elements. I try not to axe people's choices like that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/#findComment-3489446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 So making Gil Uruk of the Nam Uggae, Chapter of the Apocryphal Creed, a Terran, now with full ADB approval on potential Terran Word Bearers. I'd been wanting to, but didn't want to go against established fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/#findComment-3489453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share Posted October 8, 2013 Step 5 is something of a weird one. In Dark Creed, it was flat out said that all Terrans were purged. Marduk admits being part of that purge, but he says nothing on the nature of it. And then when we get to The First Heretic, Erebus makes mention of a purge, but I don't recall that many details of it. Basically, we can confirm that number 5 happened, but we cannot confirm the nature of the purge beyond what was said 10,000 years later in hushed whispers that most of the XVII don't even know about. Pretty much, yeah. In The First Heretic, I had to make mention of the Purge (and, of course, it totally made sense that there was one), but I also didn't want to confirm/add to the notion that it entirely cleansed the Legion of all its Terran elements. I try not to axe people's choices like that. This is why people man crush on you, just an FYI. All aboard the Terran Word Bearer train! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/#findComment-3489506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xin Ceithan Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Can I become an ADB approved Terran? Pretty Please? ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/#findComment-3489524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Oh, I can't believe I forgot. But this is somewhat of a "pioneer effort" in the direction of Terran Word Bearers. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274401-chapter-of-the-ruined-king-a-word-bearers-blog-108/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/#findComment-3489539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 *Flip table* :cuss it, I'll make up a world they recruited from. Maybe during their Pilgrimage? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/#findComment-3489545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share Posted October 8, 2013 Thats well corrupted there (as great as it is) I am looking much at the Pilgrimage-Calth era myself yes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/#findComment-3489556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Yeah, it's a 40K army, not 30K. Noctus just wanted to make them unique, so he included a refusal to go along with the Purge, even though there were so few Terrans in the Chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/#findComment-3489564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Problem is, in the Dark Heart short story in Mark of Calth, Anthony Reynolds again reconfirmed that there was a purge of Terrans, and implied that it was total. Lame. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/#findComment-3489758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 "Your perception is your reality." Considering everyone involved with Calth were supposed to be victims of a second purge, their views are questionable. Just think of it that as far as they know, everyone they are purged are Terrans. So in their mind "they purged 'all' Terrans". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/#findComment-3489761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Problem is, in the Dark Heart short story in Mark of Calth, Anthony Reynolds again reconfirmed that there was a purge of Terrans, and implied that it was total. Lame. I remember that story. It's where Marduk kills one of Kor Phaeron's dudebros and smacktalks Kor. The First Captain's response is "Ha ha ha! What a cute lil' fella you are, killing my dudebros!" Because that's perfectly in character for Kor, letting some iniate backsass him and kill his...I think I've overused that word, but yeah. ADB moves us forward, Anthony Reynolds pushes us back. Which one will win? The one whose books you buy, my son. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/#findComment-3489769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted October 9, 2013 Author Share Posted October 9, 2013 I could probably swing some mental gymnastics to make it work. What I wonder is if the latest HH book from Forge World has something to say on it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/#findComment-3489770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Problem is, in the Dark Heart short story in Mark of Calth, Anthony Reynolds again reconfirmed that there was a purge of Terrans, and implied that it was total. Lame. I remember that story. It's where Marduk kills one of Kor Phaeron's dudebros and smacktalks Kor. The First Captain's response is "Ha ha ha! What a cute lil' fella you are, killing my dudebros!" Because that's perfectly in character for Kor, letting some iniate backsass him and kill his...I think I've overused that word, but yeah. ADB moves us forward, Anthony Reynolds pushes us back. Which one will win? The one whose books you buy, my son. I bought Mark of Calth for the Underground War. Just saying. :whistling: I could probably swing some mental gymnastics to make it work. What I wonder is if the latest HH book from Forge World has something to say on it. Maybe PM WoT? Might take a bit to respond, but he's already got the book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/#findComment-3489775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted October 9, 2013 Author Share Posted October 9, 2013 I got it for Deeper Darkness. :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/#findComment-3489781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted October 9, 2013 Author Share Posted October 9, 2013 Oh :cuss, just saw I cant take a Hand Flamer on an HQ. COMMENCE WAILING!!!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/#findComment-3489790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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