facmanpob Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Problem is, in the Dark Heart short story in Mark of Calth, Anthony Reynolds again reconfirmed that there was a purge of Terrans, and implied that it was total. Lame. Perhaps a few got through cos they filled out the application form wrong.... Planet of Birth.................... Terra Colchis Religion.............................. Jedi Whatever Lorgar tells me it is Preferred Armour colour..... Grey Red Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/page/2/#findComment-3490021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted October 9, 2013 Author Share Posted October 9, 2013 Blargh, apparently there may be a mention in the latest HH:Massacre about the Terran purge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/page/2/#findComment-3490476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I am convinced we can find a loophole. Not necessarily a "Application Misfile of Birthplace". If Xaphen can get out because he's Gal Vorbak, others can get away too. Protection from COs, inaccessibility, being overlooked, or maybe even some sort of political status. Like being an Icon within the Chapter as a Paragon of the new faith, or a distinguished commander who has very few failures on his record and is loved by the men. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/page/2/#findComment-3490808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 Yeah, I'll need to see the words and context myself before I give up all hope. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/page/2/#findComment-3490961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Most Terrans doesn't mean all? Perhaps? If Narek can slip through.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/page/2/#findComment-3490996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 This is the quote WoT was kind enough to provide. ""It must have also been during this time that the legion was cleansed of dissent. The last of the old Iconoclasts, the terrans and those who would not embrace the new faith must have been put quietly to the sword" Now, I dont know the rest of the context obviously, but thats what we have so far. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/page/2/#findComment-3491012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Is Narek Terran? Hmm, maybe it can be argued that only the Terrans that predated Lorgar were wiped out? I mean, as far as I know nothing says the Legions ever stopped recruiting from Terra, it's just largely assumed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/page/2/#findComment-3491023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 As with the WE they recruited from everywhere and shipped them to bodt maybe the word bearers were similar. Any zealots they come across into the fold! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/page/2/#findComment-3491027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 Well, we do know that post being disgraced, they increased drastically in size, and scope of their crusade's right? I think its a given that they recruited from worlds outside of Terra and Colchis. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/page/2/#findComment-3491029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Or just gave every child of a cultist gene seed :) I don't think traitors are picky especially if lorgar a happy to cull them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/page/2/#findComment-3491031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Not sure about that. The repeated mention of the purity of Colchisian blood, amongst a pack of religious zealots, worries me. So far, the best I've heard was Noctus's Ruined King idea; a political backstop, laced with religion and overwhelming firepower, might be what does the trick. It's what I'll be running with for my Word Bearer allies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/page/2/#findComment-3491035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 Ninja'ed by Heathens! We have a few mentions of it being kept 'in the family' yes, but again the legion became, pre-calth, one of the largest right? I dont see how 1 world, after crusading for how long on the pilgrimage, supports that kind of growth. This was my original post below... Sure, and yes like the World Eaters, they likely where pretty liberal with handing out Astartes upgrade packages. However even back then it wasnt 100% success, and only males could do it. Taken in combination with the fact they where reaving the galaxy of life at the time, I am sure they just picked kids up at random. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/page/2/#findComment-3491037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 They increased their legion size by around 200000 iirc they were a smaller legion then rivalled the ultras. I don't think Colchis could support it then again the DA were huge and only recruited from caliban. So maybe the WB did pull off a higher initiation rates. From one of zahriels reports to the lion on caliban was like a 87% success rate iirc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/page/2/#findComment-3491043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 #1 Rule of 30K/40K fluff, try to not get stuck in the numbers, its tough to bend it to logical sense sometimes. :D I'd have to crack open TFH, but yeah, my brain says 'if you recruit this highly, and you are mobile, you recruit from where you are.' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/page/2/#findComment-3491044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Hell, how did the Germans keep pitching young men into the meatgrinders of the eastern and western front, while supporting her allies in Italy during WWI? A legion that knows a war is coming, and has no restrictions on recruiting besides faith and survival of the process, plus having half a century to prepare, would definitely give them the numbers, despite restriction to a single planet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/page/2/#findComment-3491045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 True I guess if your planning it for 50yrs you can do anything damn heathens you keep making me have to think to much. I love it !! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/page/2/#findComment-3491048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 Germany wasnt a feudal desert world that was intentionally kept from ascending up the technological ranks though either. Now, granted, an entire world supplying one legion sure....still though, it doesnt quite sit. World Eaters methodology seems far more realistic, despite the fact they burned through their lives so quickly. EDIT x III - Its funny though, we go 'OMG 200,000 Astartes!!!' when the reality of things like WW1 or WW2 makes us go...ok and? Like I said, numbers in the fluff can do your head in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/page/2/#findComment-3491050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I don't know, I see the potential for recruitment outside of Colchis. I'm sure those "of the faith" would be seen as favorable, and it doesn't sound like they had any shortage of those, either tagging along or among the worlds they frequent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/page/2/#findComment-3491051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 But considering the populations of some of these worlds in the billions and the fact that there should be potential recruits in the thousands and attrition rates you would expect to be able to surpass 300000 easily. So maybe it's entirely possible to be mainly colchisian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/page/2/#findComment-3491053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Brother, I've been to Kuwait, Qatar, Iraq and Afghanistan. You'd be surprised how many people live in the desert and mountains. A DB's vision of Colchis, of hordes of people swarming the blessed lady, tells me there's plenty of folks. second, the Terrans, as much as I like the idea, were a fraction of a fraction of the legion. Their deaths wouldn't harm them that much. Plus, the legion wasn't exactly small by the time the events of Monarchia happened. third, if your prophet comes back home and says, "breed like rabbits, and give me all your sons for the holy war", that's exactly what they'll do. Religious nuts don't apply logic. They apply beliefs, which are ten times more dangerous. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/page/2/#findComment-3491054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Plus 200000 astrates is more impressive fluff wise then Germany at it's highest points in WWI and WWII. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/page/2/#findComment-3491055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 Argh, lost my post. I hear you guys, and I can spin my story back to one of being colchis-centric, np. I am far more upset about the missing option for a hand flamer truthfully. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/page/2/#findComment-3491083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Maybe hand flamers was a Terran thing, dies with them. Just to mess with your head. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/page/2/#findComment-3491088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Sorry, Kol. I meant that if they were stupid enough to let a Narek through than the opposite was perhaps bound to happen -- they would allow a seemingly devout chaotic Terran marine through. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/page/2/#findComment-3491517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Ah. Well, in a way, it wasn't "stupid" to let Narek through. When it happened, he was probably unaware of the entirety of what turning against the Emperor entailed. So he was probably one of those who grabbed the Kool-Aid and went "Yeah! Kaoz! Argarbrinkschniss!", but was a little slow on drinking it. So when he saw what was happening to everyone else, he dropped it. He supported no longer worshiping the Emperor. He supported the Heresy. He just didn't support the price his Legion would have to pay. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281582-word-bearers-where-are-we-now/page/2/#findComment-3491521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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