GhostMalone Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 over the weekend I caught up with some of the misses friends. and after a couple of drinks and a bit of a good old pub stomping I was asked by the misses friend why I waste time money and such into the hobby. obviously they talk about it and whinge and everything but that's not the point. when asked why I have all the books limited edition novels audio dramas and building my WE. I was stumped. I tried to explain how the primarchs reflect humanities greatest flaws and how all ends in dust. that humanity is a race that never learns and is destined to repeat its mistakes on grander scales. I got into the psychology and history of the whole background and the bases of religious context and references to ancient humanities roots and into a philosophical discussion upon god and his role and how humanity will always personify a need for belief in anything and that we cant not have something that we are willing to rely in. after a big old ramble for 2 hours I believe they thought me to be full of :cuss. now im just wondering how everyone else reviews it. I see it as a condensation of subtext and references to humanity in general and the aspects of nobility and terror that humanity has based all our concepts around. thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281865-how-to-explain-the-horus-heresy-and-hobby/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 How about the whole path to hell is paved with good intentions thingy if you haven't mentioned it yet :) or how about each facet of the primarchs represents an internal struggle of the human race as a whole? And unless one becomes master over all these emotions/ego then one is forever doomed to struggle against themselves with no hope in sight? Its all very idealistic and high brow, which only makes you look smarter and more philosophical brother ;) If you're into dark humor, then just ask them when the ask about your books why they collect so many purses and shoes and so on when they are just going to fill up a hole with dirt some day? hehehehehehe Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281865-how-to-explain-the-horus-heresy-and-hobby/#findComment-3494253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted October 14, 2013 Author Share Posted October 14, 2013 but see I tried bringing forth that knowledge that I try to supress with alcohol. and people that haven't read it or looked deep into it cant understand it. I feel the link between the miniatures that they see 6 yr olds playing with and the lore behind it is ruined due to the representation of 40k I showed them the battle of phall board and they were like eh... I nearly punched the bitch out due to it being an amazing battle board Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281865-how-to-explain-the-horus-heresy-and-hobby/#findComment-3494256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Let me get this straight. You were drunk, and trying to explain something complex to someone who knows nothing about it, to a bunch of other peeps who were drunk? Yeah. Can't imagine why you were stumped, brother. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281865-how-to-explain-the-horus-heresy-and-hobby/#findComment-3494257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted October 14, 2013 Author Share Posted October 14, 2013 I wasn't drunk.... I was half cut. it was just hard to get them to understand the complexities behind it. mind you I was trying to explain to a vegan that's in a band that's going to "make it big" and his GF who I have to say I don't quite like and have a vendetta against her stupidity and feel like she is a complete contradiction to her views stances and does everything for attention. but happens to be my fiancés close friend of 8 yrs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281865-how-to-explain-the-horus-heresy-and-hobby/#findComment-3494262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disruptor_fe404 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 over the weekend I caught up with some of the misses friends. and after a couple of drinks and a bit of a good old pub stomping I was asked by the misses friend why I waste time money and such into the hobby. obviously they talk about it and whinge and everything but that's not the point. when asked why I have all the books limited edition novels audio dramas and building my WE. ... I got into the psychology and history of the whole background and the bases of religious context and references to ancient humanities roots and into a philosophical discussion upon god and his role and how humanity will always personify a need for belief in anything and that we cant not have something that we are willing to rely in. after a big old ramble for 2 hours I believe they thought me to be full of :cuss. ... I see it as a condensation of subtext and references to humanity in general and the aspects of nobility and terror that humanity has based all our concepts around. Chances are good they're not into the sort of fiction and hobby in general, right? The following are for the hobby in general: If the people I'm talking to are gamers or geeks, I say that I find the painting soothing and the writing interesting. If the people I'm talking to are uninitiated, unwashed plebs, I ask them what they spend their money on, and point out the uselessness of drinking to excess, smoking to ill-health, vehicles and their depreciation, etc., etc., for whatever it is they spend their time and money on. Unless they're good at baking, in which case I lament my inability to bake. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281865-how-to-explain-the-horus-heresy-and-hobby/#findComment-3494265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted October 14, 2013 Author Share Posted October 14, 2013 over the weekend I caught up with some of the misses friends. and after a couple of drinks and a bit of a good old pub stomping I was asked by the misses friend why I waste time money and such into the hobby. obviously they talk about it and whinge and everything but that's not the point. when asked why I have all the books limited edition novels audio dramas and building my WE. ... I got into the psychology and history of the whole background and the bases of religious context and references to ancient humanities roots and into a philosophical discussion upon god and his role and how humanity will always personify a need for belief in anything and that we cant not have something that we are willing to rely in. after a big old ramble for 2 hours I believe they thought me to be full of :cuss. ... I see it as a condensation of subtext and references to humanity in general and the aspects of nobility and terror that humanity has based all our concepts around. Chances are good they're not into the sort of fiction and hobby in general, right? The following are for the hobby in general: If the people I'm talking to are gamers or geeks, I say that I find the painting soothing and the writing interesting. If the people I'm talking to are uninitiated, unwashed plebs, I ask them what they spend their money on, and point out the uselessness of drinking to excess, smoking to ill-health, vehicles and their depreciation, etc., etc., for whatever it is they spend their time and money on. Unless they're good at baking, in which case I lament my inability to bake. put it this way. I use to be part of a crowd that was never going to amount to anything and were of no use to society. so I used my brain got a job got into uni made a great life and found that I have more in common with 40yr old ex army gamers then people my own age. these people are the former, with no idea of anything but drinking smoking and trying to be famous for being nothing and I see them maybe twice a year if that. they have no idea the genre and think that they are ohh so intelligent due to mr google. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281865-how-to-explain-the-horus-heresy-and-hobby/#findComment-3494268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disruptor_fe404 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Then I say that any attempt to explain such intricacies would be lost on them and you're better off using that energy elsewhere. EDIT: Unless one of them happens to be a good baker. Seriously, pies are awesome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281865-how-to-explain-the-horus-heresy-and-hobby/#findComment-3494270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vazzy Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Like I mentioned before brother. Like minded peeps, granted, the missus probably isn't going to have like minded friends, but the idea still stands. Granted I usually simplify it into The Fall in Heaven, but IN SPESSS. Gets the idea across quite well, and I go back to painting my Spess Romans. The universe I have difficulty explaining is the Dresden Files... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281865-how-to-explain-the-horus-heresy-and-hobby/#findComment-3494276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted October 14, 2013 Author Share Posted October 14, 2013 yeah ive given up on explaining it, but I want to know other then the other references like the war in heaven and such obvious things like they have space Vikings and space vampires and space romans and everything is in space. how would you go about presenting it to someone who had no exposure Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281865-how-to-explain-the-horus-heresy-and-hobby/#findComment-3494278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vazzy Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Give them the link to the Horus Heresy wiki page or give them Horus rising. I honestly can't give a way to tell how to start on it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281865-how-to-explain-the-horus-heresy-and-hobby/#findComment-3494283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted October 14, 2013 Author Share Posted October 14, 2013 I considered horus rising but you need to be familiar with what a space marine is in general. I feel that to bring them into 30k you need to first touch base on 2nd and 3rd ed explaining the current universe and then explain how the heresy began and go through each primarchs actions and heritage and so on. I feel it would be a 12hr explannation Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281865-how-to-explain-the-horus-heresy-and-hobby/#findComment-3494285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorkimedes Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I feel that to get the most out of the heresy series you really need to have some knowledge of 40k before hand. Always thought letting someone flip through the fluff section of the rulebook and then given them a codex / novel about what they found interesting might be a good intro. At least some of the factions have a few novels that aren't to dense. ( ex. 15 Hours, Eisenhorn, Space Wolves). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281865-how-to-explain-the-horus-heresy-and-hobby/#findComment-3494290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Sergeant Bohemond Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 If they are not already of the sci-fi/grimdark mindset, they won't care/understand anyway. Just explain it as 'something I enjoy doing, its my hobby. Like other people collect Stamps.' Its what I do EDIT: if they do like that kind of stuff, then they will sit down and listen to your explanation and description of it all Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281865-how-to-explain-the-horus-heresy-and-hobby/#findComment-3494291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Like most people with extra money to spend on non-essential things, I sometimes spend it on things that have no value beyond my interest in them. This is one of those things that interests me. It also includes movies, vacation trips, fancy dinners, nice clothing, a new painting for my dining room wall and buying you another drink. The universe I have difficulty explaining is the Dresden Files... Amen, brother. Amen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281865-how-to-explain-the-horus-heresy-and-hobby/#findComment-3494296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted October 14, 2013 Author Share Posted October 14, 2013 yeah I don't want it to come off selfish though otherwise the misses can justify hanging me with they hobby. I feel trying to dive deeper then beyond its my interest is the only way ill be able to continue the hobby. it was like a planned attack between the two of them so I felt that by saying why do you spend money on tattoos and drinking cheap cask wine there's no difference in your addiction than mine yours causes harm to your body mine causes harm to my wallet Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281865-how-to-explain-the-horus-heresy-and-hobby/#findComment-3494301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 So I take it then that your wife is simply disapproving of it all? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281865-how-to-explain-the-horus-heresy-and-hobby/#findComment-3494305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhorneHunter57x Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I would probably introduce someone who wasn't into it by explaining the tabletop wargaming aspect a bit (some people like spending their time and money playing Call of Duty, Halo, and other video games; I prefer my fantasy wars to be between physical models instead of pixels) and then treat the fluff as an extension of that - but that's just me. Maybe five minutes spent on the explanation in total, and if they aren't disinterested, then offer to loan 'em a copy of a good novel. I was asked by the misses friend why I waste time money and such into the hobby. ...because that's what people do with hobbies? Except baking - that one's not really a waste of time and money. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281865-how-to-explain-the-horus-heresy-and-hobby/#findComment-3494306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vazzy Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I started 40k with Horus Rising. Had no idea what it was, thought the armored guys on the front were badass. I got that book in '08, and followed the series till I found out it was an actual system and separate universe in 2011. So they don't necessarily need a 40k background, just a scifi one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281865-how-to-explain-the-horus-heresy-and-hobby/#findComment-3494310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumah Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 As imprecise as it may be, I usually just say "picture Dallas (the Soap) in space. With magic. And aliens." It gets the job done. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281865-how-to-explain-the-horus-heresy-and-hobby/#findComment-3494312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted October 14, 2013 Author Share Posted October 14, 2013 So I take it then that your wife is simply disapproving of it all? I think shes getting more disapproving as she keeps arguing about it and says im obsessed and need to stop having a hobby. I would probably introduce someone who wasn't into it by explaining the tabletop wargaming aspect a bit (some people like spending their time and money playing Call of Duty, Halo, and other video games; I prefer my fantasy wars to be between physical models instead of pixels) and then treat the fluff as an extension of that - but that's just me. Maybe five minutes spent on the explanation in total, and if they aren't disinterested, then offer to loan 'em a copy of a good novel. I was asked by the misses friend why I waste time money and such into the hobby. ...because that's what people do with hobbies? Except baking - that one's not really a waste of time and money. I know but sometimes the women just don't listen I started 40k with Horus Rising. Had no idea what it was, thought the armored guys on the front were badass. I got that book in '08, and followed the series till I found out it was an actual system and separate universe in 2011. So they don't necessarily need a 40k background, just a scifi one. I remember picking it up and the first chapter was awesome, I was there the day horus killed the emperor As imprecise as it may be, I usually just say "picture Dallas (the Soap) in space. With magic. And aliens." It gets the job done. god that's bad but true Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281865-how-to-explain-the-horus-heresy-and-hobby/#findComment-3494314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Well then that begs the question. Are you getting obsessed? Did you delay rent a month, but get free shipping on some Forge World? Not trying to butt in on your life but you can get obsessed with any hobby, this one no less. She is your wife. Maybe she is being unreasonable. But she is your wife. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281865-how-to-explain-the-horus-heresy-and-hobby/#findComment-3494317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted October 14, 2013 Author Share Posted October 14, 2013 but that's the thi g I work hard I can spend some days literally knee deep in :cuss doing sewer lines, or digging a trench in the pooring rain to concreting 0n 40'c+ days, I pay all the bills I work heaps of overtime sometimes I work my weekends for 12hrs on a sat and sun. I never by resin unless we have every bill payed and groceries and all that are done. and all I ask is for little orders at a time I never order huge amounts. I think its not an obsession as I still have a highly social life and go above and beyond for her. I think its in all honesty an over exaggeration on her part. after I injured my back I gave up baseball and grid iron and AFL. now I build and paint models and go to the gym to work on my back and muscles edit: if I could explain this fascination and the whole story to her without her saying I don't care I know I could justify the hobby. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281865-how-to-explain-the-horus-heresy-and-hobby/#findComment-3494318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhorneHunter57x Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 So you're a responsible person who works hard, has a healthy social life, spends plenty of time and money on the wife, and for whom this hobby is just that - a hobby...and yet she says that you're obsessed with it, keeps arguing with you about it, and says you need to stop having a hobby?We obviously aren't in your shoes, but if it's that big of a problem for her, I would seriously consider speaking with someone who helps resolve marriage issues for a living. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281865-how-to-explain-the-horus-heresy-and-hobby/#findComment-3494327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Thing is, for most people out there, this isn't a hobby that can be justified. They can't rationalize the hobby's worth because, by their definitions and understanding, there is none. Maybe because of the violence, maybe because of the fantasy. Maybe because of the childishness. Maybe because of the cost. Maybe it's Maybelline. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281865-how-to-explain-the-horus-heresy-and-hobby/#findComment-3494328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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