Death company Termies?

[Just4uCupCake]

you think it would be a good idea for GW to made DC have the option to have Heavy weapons and Termies armor? and what would you prefer if you run DC what do you run it with and wargear?

[Jolemai]

Ignoring the fact that it would be an abomination of the fluff, wouldn't it make Death Company somewhat overpowered?

[Taranis]

All depending on cost. But we're not Deathwing. I'll pass. :)

[SnorriSnorrison]

you think it would be a good idea for GW to made DC have the option to have Heavy weapons and Termies armor?

No. Jolemai said it already, it's not true to the background. And then, we already have normal terminators and flying terminators if ya please! What do we need DC terminators for?

Oh and yeah, Taranis is right - we're not Dark Angels. If you want some beefed-up terminators, perhaps the Deathwing Knights might be worth looking into?

Snorri

[Kanis]

I've got to agree with my Brothers, we'e already got access to flying 2+, and we can (hurting the fluff-nazi in me) basically have DC-equivilants with Termiests with our TDA squads, so that's pretty much enough for me, anyway! 

[Just4uCupCake]

well thank you guys it was interesting to hear.

[Sanguine Eternal]

It's interesting that you bring it up though, when I was down at the the local GW store, I noticed a book on the shelf, the pic was of a terminator from the Blood Drinkers chapter, and if I'm not mistaken, he was decked out in death company black, with the red cross pattern as well...  I haven't read the book so I can't say if that character is in fact a DC terminator.  

 

What I would like to see though in the future is a way to field a death company army besides just the usual dc, like in the old wd article years ago.  Everyone succumbing to the Black Rage on the eve of the battle...  What's not fluffy about that?  I thought the BA geneseed was degenerating rapidly according to the current codex, and the Black Rage being more prevalent then ever before?   If such a noble Captain, as Tycho himself, can suffer such a fate, would you not say that anyone is equally susceptible to succumbing to the Black Rage as well?  

It's not something I want to see in the new dex, but a supplement for strictly DC would be awesome, and so much fun.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/en-the-death-of-integrity.html
 

[Emperors Immortals]

Theres no chance that we would ever risk the loss of a single suit of Terminator armour. Tycho was allowed to keep his artisan armour as a mark of respect, it basically belonged to him. TDA always belongs to the chapter.

 

There are rumours of a new DC supplement, but frankly Id rather a flesh tearers or or other succesor chapter supplement.

[Crusader Bob]

I must admit the concept of DC terminator armor always struck me as wonderful, but makes sense to not have them. No chance a chapter would waste rare and irrpleaceble TDA suits on a squad of dead men walking.

But again, as models would look fantastic.

 

What caught my imagination was the other part of your post, heavy weapons. A DC squad graduating from bolters to heavy bolters.... scary.

FNP, relentless and rage, and a rain of heavy bullets.

 

I want that.

[Sanguine Eternal]

Oh I totally agree on the whole terminator aspect.  TDA are relics, and would not be thrown away so carelessly.  BUT, in my previous reply I was more so just implying that if Tycho could turn, and even Chaplain Lemartes for that matter, could succumb, I think it could make perfect sense for a less strongly willed individual to succumb.  What would happen if there was a squad of terminators in a large force that all fell to the Black Rage?  

 

Do you think command would comm down from the orbiting battle ship "If you could just get out of that suit and trade it in for one of these, that would be greeeeeat...."  Would they risk dispatching a secondary force in an attempt to retrieve the armour from those madmen?  Doubtful.

If the Black Rage was noticed prior to a battle, that TDA is without question being replaced when it's a contained incident, but on a much larger scale outbreak, I think that suit is staying on...  I think it would make for interesting fluff.  But to field an individual squad of DC termies, no dice.  

[Leonaides]

Because a bolter is designed to be used as a CCW/big club in extremis (which is kind of what DC would use it as when they get there) but a Lascannon isnt - you'd have to have rules for the squad losing its heavy weapons as soon as it reaches CC (they'll all get damaged in the fighting), let alone the unbalancing gamewise...

[Sanguine Eternal]

I agree with you Leonaides.  Death Company don't have access to heavy weapons currently, so it would seem unfitting for them to get them in the future.  They are shock troops, it would seem a little over the top for them charging into battle with a lascannon.  At the most, I can see them getting assault weapons MAYBE,  meltaguns, plasma guns, but it just doesn't seem like even that makes sense for a unit of crazies that are just going to potentially die in the process.

 

But Death Company terminators running around with heavy weapons, I doubt it.  The only one I could see working is the cyclone missile launcher, as it is attached to the top of the suit.

[infyrana]

Looks like you're almost getting into the realms of the Space Wolves Wolf Guard unit, with optional Termie armour with a variety of weapon choices.  That would indeed be cool and interesting, a little out of character from the previous editions of BA codicies though.

 

I'm still trying to get over the introduction of BA DC using bolters instead of just melee options.  I guess I am way behind times :)

[Leonaides]

Dc could always use bolters - don't mix fluff with the previous couple of rules sets that emphasised their assault ability...

[lfhoule]

Looks like you're almost getting into the realms of the Space Wolves Wolf Guard unit, with optional Termie armour with a variety of weapon choices.  That would indeed be cool and interesting, a little out of character from the previous editions of BA codicies though.

 

   Speaking of Space Wolves, if you are looking to paint at least one termie in DC colors, you could include a small allied force that uses the current Space Wolf codex that includes a Lone Wolf in termie armor as the elite choice. Just don't pick any options that are not Blood Angel like according to fluff .... or use it as an excuse for a Flesh Tearer to have a couple small man-eating dinos as pets....

[Taranis]

An interesting option could be for one in ten DC to buy terminator armour . Or one in 15. That last way they are forced to walk/move slow.

[Lucien Eilam]

Sanguine Eternal, on 14 Oct 2013 - 21:56, said:

It's interesting that you bring it up though, when I was down at the the local GW store, I noticed a book on the shelf, the pic was of a terminator from the Blood Drinkers chapter, and if I'm not mistaken, he was decked out in death company black, with the red cross pattern as well... I haven't read the book so I can't say if that character is in fact a DC terminator.

 

It's Caedis, Chapter Master of the Blood Drinkers. He succumbs to the Black Rage just before embarking on a mission into the depths of a Space Hulk to slay a particularly ancient Broodlord controlling the Genestealer Brood infesting it, while they're trying to hide their curse from the Novamarines and Mechanicus troops they're fighting alongside. So it's a fairly unique set of circumstances. Power armoured Marines take part in the attack, so it's debatable whether an ordinary Terminator would retain his armour, or if even the Chapter Master would have done under other circumstances.

 

The Reclusiarch has him drink from a cup called the 'Calix Cruentes', which keeps him sane long enough to make the choice between a mercy killing and the Death Company, and for the Chapter serfs to remove and repaint his armour, so it would have been possible to don power armour instead.

 

It seems like it would be incredibly rare for a Death Company Marine to fight in Terminator armour, even for a particularly degenerate successor like the Blood Drinkers.

 

[Blindhamster]

Looks like you're almost getting into the realms of the Space Wolves Wolf Guard unit, with optional Termie armour with a variety of weapon choices. That would indeed be cool and interesting, a little out of character from the previous editions of BA codicies though.

 

I'm still trying to get over the introduction of BA DC using bolters instead of just melee options. I guess I am way behind times :)

If you go back far enough, DC used bolters if they wanted, it isn't a new concept, and is pretty fitting IMO.

[Midnightmare]

Cool picture though!

[Gydeon]

Perhaps to reflect the exceedingly rare chances of a Terminator clad Brother falling to the flaw after the Blood Angels traditionally look for signs of the black rage, we could field something akin to the Space Wolves Lone Wolf (Sans the pack of wolves.) In my mind it would be an upgrade to the current Death Company entry, but act as an independent character. Giving us the chance to field (A Caedis like Imposter.) the black clad walking tank of death with a myriad assortment of wargear.

 

Just a random thought.

[infyrana]

Looks like you're almost getting into the realms of the Space Wolves Wolf Guard unit, with optional Termie armour with a variety of weapon choices. That would indeed be cool and interesting, a little out of character from the previous editions of BA codicies though.

I'm still trying to get over the introduction of BA DC using bolters instead of just melee options. I guess I am way behind times

If you go back far enough, DC used bolters if they wanted, it isn't a new concept, and is pretty fitting IMO.

Sorry for the multi-quoting, but you're both absolutely right. Even in 3rd ed when I decided to start a BA army, they were allowed boltguns. I think I've been subjected to imagery for too long with them in jump packs sporting CCW's :)

As for using SW as allies but in the same scheme to represent BA's with the optionally painted Lone Wolf in DC colours, sounds like one way to represent a lone BA who's turned mid combat (more kudos to the person who writes it in their backstory) :)

[Sanguine Eternal]

Thanks for explaining the character in that book, Lucien Eilam.  So he was very much a Tycho scenario.  Retaining his armour out of respect.  I've always really enjoyed the BA Death Company for their fluff.

The whole purchasing a terminator for say every 10-15 models still seems a bit strange.  I mean, we can purchase a dreadnought for every 5 models of DC, I think thats as far as they will go...  If you want a terminator to join DC, I don't see why you can't just take a chaplain in terminator armour... or some other IC for that matter.  Paint him up in DC scheme and just use his standard rules.  

That's my problem with DC Tycho right now... You can't field him in the unit of DC, part of me understands, that he's totally lost his marbles, and is so focused on kill kill kill, that he has to act on his own, but at the same time, he's been inducted into the DC...  I want DC Tycho with the DC, so I think I will just have to field him as Captain Tycho instead, but keep him painted up as DC Tycho.

[Just4uCupCake]

These are all really good idea and thoughts which never occurred to be a IC DC termie like a lone wolf, assault weapons on DC. I would be interested in a total DC/Fleshtearers supplement though. LMAO centurion DC anyone????