Some things I've noticed in massacre

[spu00sed]

I'm sure in older fluff the great crusade lasted a lot longer. I my mind it should. 200 years isn't enough time to have 29 kids and conquer the galaxy.

 

You need to at least double the timescale. This give poppa emperor the time to conquer the millions of antes and his sons time to meet each other and annoy each other and have a few punch ups and who can build the best weapon contests.

 

In the current timescale the primarchs don't have time to do more than travel around and meet each other, before popping off for their next shin dig. They don't have time to fight any battles.

[TDF]

There could be legitimate reasons why closer planets were reached by the GC later. Distance by warp travel often takes no account of physical distance. And the fleets probably went to places where they knew from old records that humans lived, rather than setting off in random directions and hoping to find something interesting to conquer.

[Conn Eremon]

Guilliman being found before Magnus is certainly possible, if you don't buy into the whole "The Emperor knew all along" bit. The galaxy is HUGE. And though there were an astoundingly high number of expedition fleets, I sincerely doubt they were that thorough in their outward spread. It's not like they didn't leave Sol Segmentum until the entire thing, utterly and entirely, was mapped and explored. They picked paths that cut the biggest swathes and went forth. Later expeditions took routes that the earlier ones missed. I assume, at least. Prospero could have very easily been bypassed, while one of the faster, far flung expeditions find Macragge first. Sure, the Emperor and Magnus probably talked, but how? Was it super precise, like "Hey dad, my galactic coordinates are *insert super-accurate galactic coordinates here*" or was it more along the lines of "*insert imprecise non-linguistic conversation taking place on an emotional level beyond our understanding here*"? And if they did try to coordinate, how precise was it? Again, was it galactic coordinates, or was it more along the lines of sending a hazy impression of each other's night skies? Did the Emperor go "Yeah, yeah, I know where it is, I'll get to it when I get to it," or was it "I believe I know where you might be. Hold on son, I'll organize some expeditions to comb the area" and it just happened to take some time before they actually stumbled across it? Or was there no form of coordination at all, and Magnus was found when he was found, because that's when someone came across him.

[Kol Saresk]

True. Although constant psychic communication through the very psychic realm you travel through kind of acts like a tether. So yeah, we go to Segmentum Obscuras, then Ultima Segmentum, and then come back to the Sol Segmentum. But yeah, like Cormac said, this is only a problem if you believe in the "Emperor had a plan. And that plan, was a plan." theory.

[Conn Eremon]

"Warp did it" could still be a valid excuse, though. The warp was stabilizing enough to allow for the Imperium to build, now that the Slaanesh's afterbirth had been cleaned up. But it probably wasn't a "*voop* Galaxy's all yours, guys!" y'know? Probably more of a gradual decrease in warp activity that allowed for greater and greater travel. While their communication might have been a tether, it might have been a tether through some really :cuss ed up :cuss , insofar as Warp Storms go. So even if there was a direct conduit, it could have still been delayed.

[Kol Saresk]

Eh, since the whole "when" of the Primarch's founding has been essentially cleared up, I can live with the order of their discovery. I have accepted the fact that the 30K and 40K will always have elements that are of hard understanding.

[Conn Eremon]

Rationalize what you can, shrug at what you can't. It helps that I don't really dwell on such matters or take the fluff all that seriously, even if the fluff is my sole conduit to the hobby. I think I've said it before, but this sort of thing is more of an aspect of 40k than the concept of 'grimdark.'

[Daddywarcrimes]

Glad I'm not the only one who's having a harder and harder time accepting that the Great Crusade was only about two to three hundred years.  The randomness of travel through the warp really should mean that it would take close to a millennium to bring so much of the galaxy to compliance.

[Noctus Cornix]

Ok, so I just decided to look at this thread and I noticed something. These two seperate dates are in the later years of M30

 

As Betrayer tells us, Angron was one of the last Primarchs to be found and if we go through the standard concept that the Great Crusade lasted about 300 years, it would be impossible for Night of the Wolf to be one of those two redacted entries.

[Conn Eremon]

Three? I thought it was two hundred.

[Kagarre Havariss]

I like the idea that the emperor wanted personal first contact with all of his sons, so while he possibly knew of their rough locations and could direct expedition fleets to match he couldn't foresee how long each fleet may take to reach them. Perhaps some fleets were even delayed or sidetracked purposefully if the emperor was busy in another part of the galaxy with another son.

[Kol Saresk]

Yeah, according to Laurie Goulding, the Great Crusade began in 798.M30. It only lasted until 007.M31, which was when the Heresy began.

 

Also, as Laurie Goulding was quick to hit the nail on the head when asked, none of the =][=Data Redacted=][= have to do with the Lost Legions. Apparently the 30K Imperium was no different from the 40K Imperium when it came to "classifying" information.

[Reasonable Commissar]

Its obviously The Night Of The Fox for the 2nd date where all the Wolves went mad finding some strange vox recorcding of a pre DAOT musical group singing about what a fox says.