Blackmashoo Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Got my the Book II in my hands finally. I don't understand the mechanicum army composition. The Legio Cybernetica (book2) is a primary/secondary force. The Ordo Reductor (book1) is a secondary force so it must be allied. Is it possible to have these two forces allied (Primary Force: Legio Cybernetica Secondary Force: Ordo Reductor) or are they one singule army that can pick units from both books?? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281954-playing-mechanicum/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofpollux Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 The Ordo Reductor under Decima were Loyalist(Book 1), and I think the Legio Cybernetica are Traitor. I'm not for sure because I live in the US and we don't have the book yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281954-playing-mechanicum/#findComment-3495990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torvak Kyre Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Legio Cybernetica can be used for both Loyalist and Traitor. They were around before the heresy so formed allegiances with Loyalist Legions and Traitor Leigons. Lexicanum Fenris Kid Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281954-playing-mechanicum/#findComment-3496020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmashoo Posted October 15, 2013 Author Share Posted October 15, 2013 yeah but are they two different armies that can be allied together? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281954-playing-mechanicum/#findComment-3496061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 yeah but are they two different armies that can be allied together? pretty much - unless using a set timeline then they simply count as two mechanicum forces working together. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281954-playing-mechanicum/#findComment-3496277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 So you cant get thallax without calleb decima? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281954-playing-mechanicum/#findComment-3496545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Cyanide Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 You can, there is a generic reductor Magos in massacre! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281954-playing-mechanicum/#findComment-3496566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 So you cant get thallax without calleb decima? There are Thallax in the Cybernetic list, but with less options. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281954-playing-mechanicum/#findComment-3496743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmashoo Posted October 16, 2013 Author Share Posted October 16, 2013 and cant take a landrider.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281954-playing-mechanicum/#findComment-3497092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Meh I just want to use the thallaxi with some photon thrusters and some of those castellex too. Can the thallaxi just not buy the upgrades in the massacre list? like icarian, ferrum, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281954-playing-mechanicum/#findComment-3497096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 I'm waiting for the Skitarii, although I don't think they'll be added until the Calth book, although they might be in the Blood Angels ones which is the book after the next. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281954-playing-mechanicum/#findComment-3497112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgermeister Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 on first appearances how does the army list look? viable <2k builds or does it look like it will struggle against SM crusade lists? i wont get to flick through my copy until 24th when i get home :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281954-playing-mechanicum/#findComment-3497121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 on first appearances how does the army list look? viable <2k builds or does it look like it will struggle against SM crusade lists? i wont get to flick through my copy until 24th when i get home Well Castellax's can rip marines apart, in general they won't struggle vs marines imo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281954-playing-mechanicum/#findComment-3497125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Thallax are deadly against Night Lords. They have a rule that doesn't allow infiltrators within 24" and negates cover saves by -2 and I think Night vision. Oh and a S7 rending gun :D Lol I was going to get some for my World Eaters but to counter the NLs, but now I switched to NLs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281954-playing-mechanicum/#findComment-3497130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgermeister Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 this book is a nightmare as it has 3 lists that i hoped would be staggered as i love the NL and WB too. I wait to see some viable build lists appear in the army list section and see what people think. I was slightly gutted when the fire raptor was riddled with AP4 weaponry when my poor thallax havent got interceptor rules. I've got 12 thallax to build up still - at least the weapon upgrades havent been released yet. If anyone is off to next years HH weekender and up for a game - i'm calling dibs on a mechanicus list! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281954-playing-mechanicum/#findComment-3497142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verity Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Thallax are deadly against Night Lords. They have a rule that doesn't allow infiltrators within 24" and negates cover saves by -2 and I think Night vision. Oh and a S7 rending gun Lol I was going to get some for my World Eaters but to counter the NLs, but now I switched to NLs Oh dear God why...Haha, I literally just convinced my friend to go Mechanicus as well, that's a decision I'll regret. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281954-playing-mechanicum/#findComment-3497151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 I'll be having some Thallaxii and Castellans with my Iron Hands :D can't wait to send them against Xenos :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281954-playing-mechanicum/#findComment-3497506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmashoo Posted October 16, 2013 Author Share Posted October 16, 2013 If u like Conversion Beamers, Plasma fusil (2/3salvo), and HH Grave guns then go mechanicum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281954-playing-mechanicum/#findComment-3497540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgermeister Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 from the limited info ive seen out here - do we still get transport options available? any juicy high strength weaponry available for knocking out spartans or AA options to pop the raptor as it turns up? considering a big order to come home to (free postage amount) as i may only be home a few days before heading out to west africa and i can take a small squad to paint with me :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281954-playing-mechanicum/#findComment-3498055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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