Sn4k30r Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Hi guys, i want some help with the following, Questions, Ignores cover : Cover saves cannot be taken againstWounds caused by weapons with theIgnores Cover special rule. So against VEhicles? you will say me Page 75 right?? page 75 :If the target is obscured and suffers a glancingor penetrating hit, it must take a cover save against it,exactly like a non-vehicle model would do against awound. So if i fire against a vehicle that has jink does it jinks count as obcured or other type of cover like holofield serpents etc??? Cause if it doesnt count i dont think it does benefit from ignores cover special rule, as ti says "obscured" right? Please anwer plz! thx in regards! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282057-obscured-ignores-cover-jink-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
IK Viper Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Jink is defined as a cover save. Ignores Cover USR does just that... ignores cover... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282057-obscured-ignores-cover-jink-question/#findComment-3498321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Obscured Target = cover save Ignores Cover = cover saves may not be taken Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282057-obscured-ignores-cover-jink-question/#findComment-3498346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sn4k30r Posted October 17, 2013 Author Share Posted October 17, 2013 Jink is defined as a cover save. Ignores Cover USR does just that... ignores cover... Ignores cover? yes look the rulebook as i wrote above, i try to find a solution, i do the devils advocate now, as i see a hole in all this thing, ignores cover against wounds, vehicles if they are obcured they take cover as non vehicles model so ignore cover can be used,,,, i think BUt if not obscured? just shield of sanguinius? jinks? all types that are cover and not obscured? i cant stay on that rule , cause the "MAIN" rule says OR ignores cover against wounds, OR you are obscured and you take cover as non vehicle model, so you must be obcured, Anyone Admin or something??? Obscured Target = cover save Ignores Cover = cover saves may not be taken Can you say me if there is something in rulebook written that says obscured= cover saves? or cover= obscured? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282057-obscured-ignores-cover-jink-question/#findComment-3498351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Obscured is defined as a special rule that provides a cover save. Jink is defined as a special rule that provides a cover save. Ignores cover is defined as a special rule that ignores any and all cover saves. So, while you are not ignoring Obscured and Jink, you are ignoring the cover saves they provide. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282057-obscured-ignores-cover-jink-question/#findComment-3498363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sn4k30r Posted October 17, 2013 Author Share Posted October 17, 2013 so we can disagree with opponent? IGNORES COVER = vs wounds right? the exception is against wounds from obscured cover saves, sorry i want to be as bad as possible as an opponent can be. main rule ignores cover vs wounds. (so only models with wounds) page 75 : obscured vehicles take cover saves as wounds. are items that make vehicle models "obscured" or give them a cover save? cause if there are then all will be different to me.... so i wll have right i think.. Page :75 : Obviously, vehicles cannot Go to Ground, voluntarily orotherwise. If the target is obscured and suffers a glancingor penetrating hit, it must take a cover save against it,exactly like a non-vehicle model would do against arVound (for example, a save of 5+ for awood and so on).If the save is passed, the hlt is discarded, no Hull Pointsare lost and no roll is made on the Vehicle Damage table.If a special rule or a piece of wargearrnakes a vehicleobscured even if in the open, this is a 5+ cover save, unlessspecified otherwise in the codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282057-obscured-ignores-cover-jink-question/#findComment-3498377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 "Exactly like a non-vehicle model"And in this case, a non-vehicle model wouldnt get a cover save, because of the ignores cover rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282057-obscured-ignores-cover-jink-question/#findComment-3498401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 I think the language barrier is causing some confusion. What are you asking? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282057-obscured-ignores-cover-jink-question/#findComment-3498450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sn4k30r Posted October 17, 2013 Author Share Posted October 17, 2013 hm.... I ask, Ignores cover works against covers like flyers? cause the rule says obscured vehicles doesnt obscured means that must the vehicle be behind something 25% to get obscured target? flyers or other item-rules that give the vehicles cover means are obcured? For example , Librarian (blood angels ) casts shield of sanguinius and 2 rhinos are near 5+ cover each, in the open, and something with ignores cover e.g Tau unit , fires at them why should the ignores cover work? cause those rhinos arent obscured by something they have from psychic power, so If the target is obscured and suffers a glancingor penetrating hit, it must take a cover save against it,exactly like a non-vehicle model would do against awound, they have 5+cover from psychic so arent obscured, and the rule of ignores cover works with this sub-rule that means they must be obscured by something to take a cover like wound ,,, Am i right now? Explain me someone, obcured means every cover a model takes? even vehicle by items- psychics-abilities? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282057-obscured-ignores-cover-jink-question/#findComment-3498552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Ah okay. You are putting too much emphasis on the wrong words. "Obscured" is merely a condition, and having a cover save is the result. So if a model (of any kind) has a cover save and wants to make use of it, they are not allowed to against attacks with the "Ignores Cover" special rule. It has nothing to do with being obscured, psychic powers, smoke launchers, terrain, etc. All that matters is that the cover save [insert rules] gave it is unusable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282057-obscured-ignores-cover-jink-question/#findComment-3498602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sn4k30r Posted October 17, 2013 Author Share Posted October 17, 2013 Ok cool, Seahawk, thanks, if you can answer my following questions, would be thankfull, 1) does grav guns give cover or not? against vehicles ? (there is a thread closed and still not a resolution on this matter, 2) If a stormraven gets locked velocity by immobilized result, can disembark units with skies of blood? or its disembark restriction? :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282057-obscured-ignores-cover-jink-question/#findComment-3498617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Ok cool, Seahawk, thanks, if you can answer my following questions, would be thankfull, 1) does grav guns give cover or not? against vehicles ? (there is a thread closed and still not a resolution on this matter, 2) If a stormraven gets locked velocity by immobilized result, can disembark units with skies of blood? or its disembark restriction? The only thing different aout Grav guns is how they would out their to wound roll so yes you do get a cover save against them. Although the Grav effect v a vehicle is "suffers and immobilised result" I think you would still get a cover save as now where does it say that cover saves are ignored by Grav weponary. Being immobilised doesn't restrict disembarkation, so yes the guys inside would still be able to jump out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282057-obscured-ignores-cover-jink-question/#findComment-3498971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 1) Check older threads about this. Technically, it's not very conclusive, but the safe bet is to give cover. 2) Yes they can disembark via Skies of Etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282057-obscured-ignores-cover-jink-question/#findComment-3499009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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