Silver fang Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Hi guys, I really want to get back into my daemon army but I just can't find any inspiration. What can I do to re-ignite the burning need to stomp face and reap souls? Help me daemon-wan-Kenobi, you're my only hope. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282104-daemonic-depression/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDevourer Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 The fact that fast daemon close combat lists can be in peoples faces turn 1? Flesh hounds going for turn 1 assaults, hounds being dirt cheap hyper effective units. Screamers turbo boosting right infront of enemy line turn 1. Wreaking havoc with mass fmc lists. Playing big squads of troops and deepstriking in soulgrinders. Fateweaver being a beast. Rolling for lots of funny random results, being able to cast lots of spells. Powerful character models. Excellent models, good conversion and counts as possibilities. Bright exotic colour schemes are easy to pull off. Chaos fluff is amazing. Chaos is amazing. Being a baddy is fun. Blood for the blood god. Porn for the porn god etc. What isn´t to like? It always feels good kicking in some loyalist skulls ;). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282104-daemonic-depression/#findComment-3500011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 I realy liked to play screamer star , till GW made the OP SoB codex , not I no longer care . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282104-daemonic-depression/#findComment-3501087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Do you really have that many SoB armies in your area? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282104-daemonic-depression/#findComment-3501625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I realy liked to play screamer star , till GW made the OP SoB codex , not I no longer care . I haven't read it yet, what about it is so op? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282104-daemonic-depression/#findComment-3501798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver fang Posted October 21, 2013 Author Share Posted October 21, 2013 Well I dug out my daemon codex over the weekend and read through it. I think my Slaanesh army will be revived some time soon. I really like the idea of multiple high level telepaths on the board to control half of the opposing army and scream the rest to death. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282104-daemonic-depression/#findComment-3501866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornywingythingy Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I realy liked to play screamer star , till GW made the OP SoB codex , not I no longer care . I haven't read it yet, what about it is so op? I believe they have a bolter that causes a perils wound on every psyker in the unit shot for each hit it causes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282104-daemonic-depression/#findComment-3502514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RolandTHTG Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I realy liked to play screamer star , till GW made the OP SoB codex , not I no longer care . I haven't read it yet, what about it is so op? I believe they have a bolter that causes a perils wound on every psyker in the unit shot for each hit it causes. Except it is a combi-shot, single shot. so once per unit per game, if the person even paid for them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282104-daemonic-depression/#findComment-3502560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I realy liked to play screamer star , till GW made the OP SoB codex , not I no longer care . I haven't read it yet, what about it is so op? I believe they have a bolter that causes a perils wound on every psyker in the unit shot for each hit it causes. Except it is a combi-shot, single shot. so once per unit per game, if the person even paid for them. It's not like there is anything else all that great for a Sister Superior to take. With 5 sister squad sizes now and still able to take two special weapons, I think you will find these becoming the "go to" combi upgrades for superiors and many armies will start taking MSU razorback(Immolator) spam for 4 to 6 condemnor bolters per primary detachment. One could take a command squad with up to 5 of these but that's making a them a very specialized unit. A basic troop squad would be 2 bolter sisters, 2 meltagun sisters and a superior with a condemnor in a Multi-Melta Immolator for 150 points This exact same set up can be used as Celestians (Elite choice), Dominions (Fast Attack) and Retributors (Heavy) so you could easily field 5 units as an allied detachment. Add in a Canoness to lead them and you have 6 "kill psykers on a HIT to the UNIT" weapons along with a torrent of melta fire. This is all assuming that the condemnor does not get FAQ'ed or otherwise ruled to work differently than the new current RAW. I don't believe it is supposed to work this way but whether or not GW will actually put out a C:AS FAQ that actually addresses this is yet to be seen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282104-daemonic-depression/#findComment-3502716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 That sounds weird...how is it worded? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282104-daemonic-depression/#findComment-3503373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Each hit with it on a psyker or unit with a psyker generates a peril test for each psyker in that unit . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282104-daemonic-depression/#findComment-3503568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 That sounds like much more BS than the usual GW crap... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282104-daemonic-depression/#findComment-3503829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Its range at best is what, 24 inches? Blast that unit off the board before they can do it to you. Youre faster. Cmon guys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282104-daemonic-depression/#findComment-3503914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Its range at best is what, 24 inches? Blast that unit off the board before they can do it to you. Youre faster. Cmon guys. That unit? hehehe Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282104-daemonic-depression/#findComment-3503974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Its range at best is what, 24 inches? Blast that unit off the board before they can do it to you. Youre faster. Cmon guys. more like 36" and in some cases 48" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282104-daemonic-depression/#findComment-3504046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboarder Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Have you read it yet jeske?Because I have and thats not what it says. Its very poorly worded and it stilll up in the air exactly how this is meant to react with the rules. Psi-shock: Any unit with the Pskyer, Brotherhood of Psykers or Psychic Pilot special rules that is hit by a weapon with this special rule suffers the Perils of the Warp in addition to any other damage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282104-daemonic-depression/#findComment-3504049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Ooooh, then it's not that bad. A unit of Screamers doesn't have the Psyker, Brotherhood of Psykers or Psychic Pilot special rules so it would do nothing, even with the heralds in front. The unit is hit, the heralds are allocated wounds...but the unit is still called Screamers of Tzeentch, no matter how many heralds joins it... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282104-daemonic-depression/#findComment-3504166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odsox Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Well I dug out my daemon codex over the weekend and read through it. I think my Slaanesh army will be revived some time soon. I really like the idea of multiple high level telepaths on the board to control half of the opposing army and scream the rest to death. Don't forget to bring a Soul Grinder! :D Od. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282104-daemonic-depression/#findComment-3504449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Have you read it yet jeske? Because I have and thats not what it says. Its very poorly worded and it stilll up in the air exactly how this is meant to react with the rules. Psi-shock: Any unit with the Pskyer, Brotherhood of Psykers or Psychic Pilot special rules that is hit by a weapon with this special rule suffers the Perils of the Warp in addition to any other damage. Well if it says that, the Brotherhood of Psykers rule dictates the focal model for the unit takes the hit, surely. Anyway, I've always wanted to start a Daemon army. Predominantly Slannesh themed with psychic trickery from Tzeentch. But if I had the true modeller gift I'd make a themed army on a circus of the damned (guess the theme original source). Such a theme can grant you a new lease on an army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282104-daemonic-depression/#findComment-3504633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Yea, there's no real debate on it, unless you just don't read the rules. "Any unit with the Psyker, Brotherhood of Psykers, or Psychic Pilot special rules that is hit by a weapon with this special rule suffers the Perils of the Warp in addition to any other damage." "If the unit suffers the Perils of the Warp, or any other attack that specifically targets Psykers, it is resolved against the character, if there is one, or against a random, non-character model in the unit, if there is no character." "While an Independent Character is part of a unit, he counts as part of the unit for all rules purposes" So a brotherhood of psykers has 1 dude suffer the effects. Big whoop. Since he counts as a "screamer", he isn't hurt by the shot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282104-daemonic-depression/#findComment-3505686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornywingythingy Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Yeah, I think its just badly worded because there are psyker units in the game (ig battle psykers, who aren't brotherhood of psykers) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282104-daemonic-depression/#findComment-3506182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 The ebook has been updated and teh iBook will follow soon. The psi-shock rule has been changed. It is back to the GK or White Dwarf codex version. If it causes an unsaved wound on a psyker, the target takes a perils of the warp. So .... you will never see a condemnor bolter on table again ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282104-daemonic-depression/#findComment-3517866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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