Kol Saresk Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Yeah, pretty much. According to Galaxy in Flames, as fast as Horus was learning about the survivors, Angron was already heading for the surface. Which is kind of weird since it'd mean that Angron had a faster obtaining of information. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282219-loyalist-traitors-still-active-post-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3502648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Or he didn't care and wanted down there as quick as possible no matter what the outcome was. Loved the little story from Imperial Truth which is from the POV of a dying World Eater who had actually hit Angron. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282219-loyalist-traitors-still-active-post-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3502654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 It was sarcasm, given that after Horus finally got to nuke the site from orbit like he wanted to, Loken (and some others?) were still alive down there shouting about their pain. Their painy, painy, pain. The painiest pain that was ever pained. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282219-loyalist-traitors-still-active-post-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3502659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I want to see what happens to Ancient Rylanor. I really want him to come back for one last fight against his former master Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282219-loyalist-traitors-still-active-post-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3502661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Yeah but Angron gave a massive window for loyalists to escape, that's what I was on about. On another note, do you think Loyalist World Eaters would return to their original scheme and readopt the name like Loken did? It wouldn't be to much of a change for them, it's basically a swap in the positioning of the colours, so instead of it primarily being white it would be blue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282219-loyalist-traitors-still-active-post-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3502662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Yeah but Angron gave a massive window for loyalists to escape, that's what I was on about. On another note, do you think Loyalist World Eaters would return to their original scheme and readopt the name like Loken did? It wouldn't be to much of a change for them, it's basically a swap in the positioning of the colours, so instead of it primarily being white it would be blue. Repainting armor is for slaanesh lovers :P I think that the world eaters still saw themselves as world eaters (lines were blurred...not just all terrans, etc.) and would've left their armor as is Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282219-loyalist-traitors-still-active-post-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3502667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Honestly, no. The World Eaters had left their identies as the War Hounds long ago and had since been completely consumed by the Nails. Even those who remained Loyalists would probably either stay World Eaters or just be called "Astartes". In my opinion at any rate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282219-loyalist-traitors-still-active-post-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3502668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Ditto Kol's, plus Loken and friends changed their name back from the Sons of Horus. They had a good reason for wanting to stop being called Sons of that :cuss :cuss Traitor, all things considered. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282219-loyalist-traitors-still-active-post-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3502758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 There is actually a Character in the Betrayal rulebook, a former Deathguard Captain Section Leader Crysos Morturg I'm curious as to how he got offworld. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282219-loyalist-traitors-still-active-post-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3502922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Snuck into enemy positions and got hold of a death guard storm bird or thunderhawk, returned to the barge frigate or who knows seized control and as the fleet dispersed he took off? There are many ways of doing it, he may have allied himself with ragtag forces of survivors and ambushed a landing site. There are millions of ways it's just if your lucky enough Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282219-loyalist-traitors-still-active-post-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3502933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Seems a bit too late for Tarvitz to return, WoT =) He's the very image of a martyr, going back to organize the counter-strike. And getting a 5-star performance. He actually did a lot better than Eidolon - except for the dying part. The same type of arguments were made to keep Loken in his grave. The value of martyrs and the need for them to keep the grim dark. Tarvitz and co, were in no worse shape then Loken at the end of GiF so why, now do they get so easily written off as dead. The Sword of Truth touched on this topic in a couple of ways. The OP might be interested to know that In SoT, Varren was asked directly about other loyalists escaping and he said that his ship, the Daggerline, was not the only one to make the break for freedom. He did not give any indication if any others were successful but I would say that there is plenty of room in 30k for a force of Loyalists from the traitors legions at Istavaan III. If Varren or any others were on the planet before they escaped I don't think is clear but one could make a argument for the capture of a drop ship leading to the takeover and escape of a Starship. When it is all said and done I'm guessing there will be around 300 ish loyalist survivors. Also in Sword of Truth, Garro asks about Tarvitz directly. It is the first thing to come out of his mouth when he learns that there are Emperors Children with Varren's group. This exchange might be easy to overlook as just chit chat but I think it has greater meaning when viewed in the context of the other stories we have available. I think Tarvitz is reunited with Garro some time between sword of Truth and Legion of One. In Legion of One Garro returns to Istvaan III and shows no interest, what so ever, in Tarvitz's fate. I think if he was not sure of his Honor Brothers ultimate fate he would be more then a bit concerned. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282219-loyalist-traitors-still-active-post-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3502939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Yup. Nobody in 30k stays dead except for Hastur Sejanus and Ferrous Manus. If Eidolon, Torgaddon, and Cyrene can all come back because TROLOLO THE WARP! Then feel free to say whoever you want survived Isstvan. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282219-loyalist-traitors-still-active-post-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3502940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I thought Torgaddon was a Daemon form though, nay? Eidolon...I dont get, Fabius is a cheater I guess. Cyrene, totally the Warp. Erebus is just that tight with the Chaos boys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282219-loyalist-traitors-still-active-post-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3502954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Eidolon should have stayed dead :/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282219-loyalist-traitors-still-active-post-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3502960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Doesnt he need to kill Lucius? EDIT: Nope, wrong guy, move along! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282219-loyalist-traitors-still-active-post-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3502963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I see Eidolon as symbolic for the Legion as a whole. Well, not as a whole. As the amplified negative aspects. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282219-loyalist-traitors-still-active-post-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3502968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 He's been the one character I despise he's an arrogant self grand using :cuss. In short an EC Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282219-loyalist-traitors-still-active-post-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3502972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Even more that our good brother Erebus? Now there's a villain... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282219-loyalist-traitors-still-active-post-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3502973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Yup. Nobody in 30k stays dead except for Hastur Sejanus and Ferrous Manus. If Eidolon, Torgaddon, and Cyrene can all come back because TROLOLO THE WARP! Then feel free to say whoever you want survived Isstvan. Torgaddon came back? I don't think so... you might mean the Deamon wearing his corpse? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282219-loyalist-traitors-still-active-post-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3502993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carach Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 doesnt even wear his corpse does he? its simply just some of torgaddon's genetic material. but thats weird considering loken 'died' next to his butchered corpse in GIF. and then sits next to mentioned butchered corpse for much of his time on a dead world. how did they ever come to acquire the genetic material in the first place.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282219-loyalist-traitors-still-active-post-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3502997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Dog Studios Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I started re-reading the first three books of the series the other day, and they make me want to make a small loyalist SoH force in Luna Wolves colors to fight alongside my 30k Space Wolves! This thread has given me quite a few good ideas on how they are still alive and kicking! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282219-loyalist-traitors-still-active-post-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3503142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbero666 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Tormageddon is the name of Tarik-Daemon, most likely a daemon summoned with his geneseed and nothing more, an insult against the loyalists. And for how Crysos Morturg and the other loyalists escape Istvaan III. I don't know but I need that info before the end of the series. In the case of Morturg he was pulled out by Caleb Decima who is a badass Magos of the Reductor, he would had an escape plan or could had hijacked a ship or something like that. As Lorne Walkier said is curious that Garro didn't search for Tarvitz on Istvaan III when he returned searching for Loken. Maybe because Tarvitz had already returned, or maybe because he was confirmed dead. If the first, I hope for Vipus and the others to be alive, but I rather preferred all of them dead. Saul did an heroic sacrifice in Istvaan, returning to save them and commanding them into traitor slaying. If he comes back his sacrifice would be in vain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282219-loyalist-traitors-still-active-post-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3503163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Either way Tarvitz, aside from the colour scheme, is the only part of the Emperor's Children that make me like them one bit, everything else from their fall, the way the Iron Hands were made to look like idiots purely to put them over, the characters like Eidolon and Fulgrim, make me really dislike them. It's such a shame such an awesome colour scheme is matched with such a band of dicks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282219-loyalist-traitors-still-active-post-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3503181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Either way Tarvitz, aside from the colour scheme, is the only part of the Emperor's Children that make me like them one bit, everything else from their fall, the way the Iron Hands were made to look like idiots purely to put them over, the characters like Eidolon and Fulgrim, make me really dislike them. It's such a shame such an awesome colour scheme is matched with such a band of dicks. DUDE. http://brushwithdestiny.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/rylanor2.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282219-loyalist-traitors-still-active-post-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3503194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbero666 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 And Solomon Demeter, and Vespasian. We always forget about them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282219-loyalist-traitors-still-active-post-istvaan/page/2/#findComment-3503198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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