Demus Ragnok Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 First I must say that I am far behind on reading the HH series. Second, I've been thinking on an alternate heresy idea in which a non psyker primarch sets out to discover and use weapons and armor that are targeted specifically against daemons/possessed/psykers. What I've thought of off the top of my head is rune etched terminator armor, a runic weapon similar to those used by the SW rune priests. And there is the technology used in null rods. Have I missed anything in the HH series that would be useful for my character? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282462-to-slay-a-daemon/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Shards of Erebus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282462-to-slay-a-daemon/#findComment-3505967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Shards of Erebus. A.K.A. Shards of a kinebrach anathame, a xenos weapon made to kill daemons. Although strictly speaking, the Shards of Erebus themselves have since been perverted with Chaos rituals. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282462-to-slay-a-daemon/#findComment-3505972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper_Hawser Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 I thought it is nearly impossible to completely destroy a daemon forever, as in completely erase its existence from both the material universe AND the warp. Only the Emperor himself actually completely obliterated Horus' soul so that the chaos gods couldn't just take it and reincarnate it again into another form. Could be wrong though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282462-to-slay-a-daemon/#findComment-3505987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Shards of Erebus. A.K.A. Shards of a kinebrach anathame, a xenos weapon made to kill daemons.Pedantry:Anathame seems to be able to kill anything mortal, up to the level of a Primarch, but we never saw the original blade used against a warp entity, only the fragments that Erebus did his witchcraft over. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282462-to-slay-a-daemon/#findComment-3505989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 I thought it is nearly impossible to completely destroy a daemon forever, as in completely erase its existence from both the material universe AND the warp. Only the Emperor himself actually completely obliterated Horus' soul so that the chaos gods couldn't just take it and reincarnate it again into another form. Could be wrong though. Yeah but there are ways to send them screaming back into the warp. To damage their physical forms. Protect oneself from their presence. And even bind them to bodies/physical objects. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282462-to-slay-a-daemon/#findComment-3505996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Shards of Erebus.A.K.A. Shards of a kinebrach anathame, a xenos weapon made to kill daemons. Pedantry: Anathame seems to be able to kill anything mortal, up to the level of a Primarch, but we never saw the original blade used against a warp entity, only the fragments that Erebus did his witchcraft over. True, but it was made by a species involved in the fight against Chaos and functioned on the properties of True Names and if one of its babies could do it... And it is possible to cause a True Death for a daemon. But it is very difficult. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282462-to-slay-a-daemon/#findComment-3506207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Going by Angel Exterminatus, Anathame was a daemon weapon (if one considers Fabius Bile a trustworthy source of information, that is) and didn't the Interex in Horus Rising admit it was created with sorcery? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282462-to-slay-a-daemon/#findComment-3506271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
farding Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 In Unremebered empire /Spoiler There is a vessle used to contain a deamon by John grammicus's ally Damon (cant remember his last name) but an assasin for the cable. /Spoiler (no idea if my spoiler attempts worked.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282462-to-slay-a-daemon/#findComment-3506394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Well by Angel Exterminatus[/i[, it had been mutilated and torn apart and subjected to who knows what kind of Chaotic rituals. It is a sentient blade. By the time we reach Fulgrim, it is definitely a possibility that it became a warped sentience, much like the Raven. As for Horus Rising, page 382 'We hold the the weapons of the kinebrach here,' Naud said, to meturge accompaniment. 'Indeed we preserve here, in careful stasis, examples of weapons used by many of the alien species we have encountered. The kinebrach have, as a sign of service to us, foresworn the bearing of arms, unless under such circumstances as we grant them said use in time of war. Kinebrach technology is highly advanced, and many of their weapons are deemed too lethal to be left beyond securement.' [...] 'Surely, general commander, a blade is just a blade?' Sindermann asked politely. 'These daggers here, for instance. How are these weapons "too lethal to be left beyond securement"?' 'They are tailored weapons,' Naud replied. 'Blades of sentient metal, crafted by the kinebrach metallurgists, a technique now utterly forbidden. We call them anathames. When such a blade is selected for use against a specific target, it becomes that target's nemesis, utterly inimical to the person or being chosen.' 'How?' Sindermann pressed. Naud smiled. 'The kinebrach have never been able to explain it to us. It is a factor of the forging process that defies technical evaluation.' 'Like a curse?' prompted Sindermann. 'An enchantment?' The aria generated by the meturge players around them hiccupped slightly over those words. To Sindermann's surprise, Naud replied 'I suppose that is how you could describe it, iterator.' So whatever the Interex knew of the anathames, they knew enough to think of them as weapons of mass destruction, but useable weapons of mass destruction. So unless they have a philosophy of "fight Chaos with Chaos", neither they nor the kinebrach consider the weapons to be made from Chaos. Although a small bit of warp sorcery is more than likely involved, but no more so than the Grey Knight's hexagrammic wards, the Rune Priests bone-casting or the use of the Emperor's Tarot to divine the future. And since it's referred to as "sentient metal", it is entirely possible that it is laced with some sort of nanotechnology that allowed it to produce the poison while the warp "curse/enchantment" is what allowed it to tailor the poison to such a specific degree that no "person or being" was safe from its cut, even a daemon prince if its descendants' abilities are no different. @farding: [*spoiler] Post [/*spoiler] but without the *. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282462-to-slay-a-daemon/#findComment-3506397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 YOU TAKE YOUR FILTHLY NANOMACHINES BACK TO METAL GEAR AND AWAY FROM MY 40K, BRO! All anomalies will be explained with "Because space magic!" as the Emperor the Chaos Gods intended! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282462-to-slay-a-daemon/#findComment-3506413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Only the Emperor himself actually completely obliterated Horus' soulso that the chaos gods couldn't just take it and reincarnate it again into another form. Could be wrong though. I always found the whole "obliterating Horus' soul" incredibly funny, because just after obliterating the dude's soul, the said guy talks to the emperor, who is then forced to obliterate his soul ONCE AGAIN, knowing the Chaos gods would come back to take Horus once more. Obliterating the obliterated, right ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282462-to-slay-a-daemon/#findComment-3506427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 YOU TAKE YOUR FILTHLY NANOMACHINES BACK TO METAL GEAR AND AWAY FROM MY 40K, BRO! All anomalies will be explained with "Because space magic!" as the Emperor the Chaos Gods intended! Necrons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282462-to-slay-a-daemon/#findComment-3506432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kagarre Havariss Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Only the Emperor himself actually completely obliterated Horus' soul so that the chaos gods couldn't just take it and reincarnate it again into another form. Could be wrong though. I always found the whole "obliterating Horus' soul" incredibly funny, because just after obliterating the dude's soul, the said guy talks to the emperor, who is then forced to obliterate his soul ONCE AGAIN, knowing the Chaos gods would come back to take Horus once more.Obliterating the obliterated, right ? Not quite how I understand it, the Emperor realises he must destroy Horus so gathers all of his power for the strike. The chaos gods sense this and withdraw, either out of fear of being severely damaged in the backlash because they have invested much power in Horus, or because they hope the Emperor will spare him allowing them to re connect with him later. So free of influence Horus realises what a complete tool he has been and has his heart to heart with daddy. The Emperor realises that Horus cannot be truly redeemed/ Horus realises he will be possessed once more so the Emperor obliterates his soul completely saving him from daemonhood. That's my take on it anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282462-to-slay-a-daemon/#findComment-3507468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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