Sohail187 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Good morning all, I just finished my first ever tournament in my 40k history. First of all i had a great time which is why i play this hobby and it was just amazing to see so many armies and people under one roof battling it out for supremacy. A lot of the time i see posts on these forums about SW not being competitive, cannot deal with certain things ect..ect..ect. Most of the time i have ignored this thinking what are they talking about!! Most of the time in single battles weekly i fair very well, but then i came up against tournament lists. I was shocked to see the things people came up with... just disgusting, and when i look at my codex and think i actually have nothing that i can put in 1 army to play against a vast majority i felt so powerless. Now i am not here to complain about our codex, i am here to find out more about our codex, may be something i might have overlooked, a unit which i could have used in a different way. I love our codex, even though out dated on a weekly basis i have fun with different lists and i do fairly well. However in this competitive scene just no words can explain how out matched my list was. My list: RP // Div / Bio / Chooser Troops: 30 GH, MOTW , x2 flamers , x2 melta, x2 plasma POD Elites: 5 WGPA 5 combi melta 1 WGTDA combi melta - Storm shield 5 WGPA 5 combi plas 1 WGTDA combi plas - Storm shield Fast attack: x2 Speeder Typhoons Heavy bolter x2 Hyperios Heavy: Long fang x4 Launchers Lonf gang x3 Launchers x1 Heavy bolter Aegis + quadgun. I saved 2 scoring troops for later turns, drop them on objectives or to contest later. 1 scoring to drop first turn to contest and burn and kill his scoring. Whilst WG tried to nail a big target. However you then come against armies which have, 2 riptides 3 broadsides 3 crisis suits 2 tanks with nasty guns and a flyers. Another guy had seer council like 7 locks eldrad and the swooping hawk special character, 2++ and fortune re roll. You cancel as much as you can but only so many 4+ you can roll. After it was all over, i was thinking may be i should have taken a LR with a lord and termies or even logan and a small squad of termies. Try to keep them locked in combat sweeping through the armies. However i feel may be a lack of CC potential might have been a game changer however i am unsure. Luckily i managed to dodge few of the players who had some real!!!!!!!!! EXTRA MATURE CHEDDAR CHEESE ARMIES. I will give you one as an example 52 scarab base armies ... with 4 necron flyers. 2 wraith knight 6 crisis suits armies -_-.Any way, what i want to know what would you have tried from our codex. If not logan maybe arjac would have gone a good job getting into combat with the big things and having a bash with some termies in a landraider. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282478-my-first-tournament/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
logun Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 i'm afraid the lord and raider would probably have been a big points sink. lots of grey hunters and missile spam has been my thing lately. but i haven't faced anything like those lists. faced a riptide/wraithknight tau/eldar army with hq's buffing the elites with ignores cover/bonus cover spells. he had spent so many points on everything else he had only taken 3 squads of 5 troops to grab objectives. so maybe don't focus on the big flash toys they bring. focus on the stuff that they actually need to win the game. most of those armies would kill to have our troops. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282478-my-first-tournament/#findComment-3506236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sohail187 Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 Well i tried to do that. Alot of flash armies were small on troops. So i used my grey hunters + missile and landspeeders to kill scoring troops. However I would just get tabled or loose everything any way cause i just cannot kill the stuff they have. However in a average normal game of 2k at my local club i do so well, but in a competitive scene it feels like our day are numbered. I do agree though the LR and combat beast is a point sink in a big way! but it felt like it was needed so much. I saw another wolf player, using a lonewolf chains / termi / 2 wolves. It dropped every game before it did anything. i was thinking i could use one to lock something in combat like a riptide or WK. but getting across the board would be interesting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282478-my-first-tournament/#findComment-3506249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 The thing with th elonewolf setup like that though...ive also had games where it has died before doing anything (and i take it with a storm shield), however, in doing so its drawn a lot of fire in the process. And at around 85 pts, its not a huge points sink if he does keel over early Not sure what to say on the tourni front as i only play non-competitive. Sounds like theres some pretty horrible lists out there..but im sure if you just spammed hunters and long fangs youd probably still do ok one question, why the hyperios AND the aegis line? Did you feel you needed the extra anti air? I would have thought one or the other would do but i rarely play agains dangerous flyers (hellturkey) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282478-my-first-tournament/#findComment-3506316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sohail187 Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 My MVP in all 3 games were the Hyperios + quadgun. tau player had this flyer with a bazillion shots but it had armour 11. Killed it interceptor, eldar player had some funky flyers killed both. and 1 game had no flyers. However looking at the other armies, one guy had chaos daemons 5 flying MC's (one of which was a bloodthirster) Necron with 4 flyers, More tau flyers!! JUST FLYERS EVERY WHERE!!! ARRGH!! I should start to model my units with fly swatters... as it feels like an infestation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282478-my-first-tournament/#findComment-3506354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 yeah, it seems a massive shift in flyers favour (#insert comment about GW making new shiny expensive models overpowered#), personally, i really dont like a lot of the flyer models, especially not enough to field whole armies of them...but as said, i dont play competitively. Surely the spacewolves should have pretty big fly swatters too...looking at the (over)sizing of the wolves on fenris, the flies must be fairly fat too Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282478-my-first-tournament/#findComment-3506429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sohail187 Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 After talking to so many of my local club members, it seems like taking allies of vendetta's and squads of vets wit plasma could solve all my problems. However i really wanted to keep a full SW army :( boo hoo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282478-my-first-tournament/#findComment-3507277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangTC Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Just model them as the human army from the Fang. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282478-my-first-tournament/#findComment-3509653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hear da Lamentation Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Hiya, One question is bugging me a little here. I see a lot of "vendettas are going to sort you out for those pesky fliers". But I dont really understand (and this is no doubt me missing a big point). Vendettas give 3 tllc for 130 points on an AT12 skimmer. They aren't better at hitting fliers (still need a 6?). OK so they are twin linked. But a RP in a longfang unit gives them twin linked (with divination) - and 3 LF with LC costs about the same as the vendetta - and is way more survivable. (Let's face it, AT12 is going to get shot to hell and back in the 1st round surely)? What am I missing? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282478-my-first-tournament/#findComment-3509760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
logun Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Hiya, One question is bugging me a little here. I see a lot of "vendettas are going to sort you out for those pesky fliers". But I dont really understand (and this is no doubt me missing a big point). Vendettas give 3 tllc for 130 points on an AT12 skimmer. They aren't better at hitting fliers (still need a 6?). OK so they are twin linked. But a RP in a longfang unit gives them twin linked (with divination) - and 3 LF with LC costs about the same as the vendetta - and is way more survivable. (Let's face it, AT12 is going to get shot to hell and back in the 1st round surely)? What am I missing? are you sure they are not flyers, i'm not an IG player so don't know the diffence between a Valkarie/vendetta Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282478-my-first-tournament/#findComment-3509974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 are you sure they are not flyers, i'm not an IG player so don't know the diffence between a Valkarie/vendetta Yes they are flyers. page 3 faq for the specific bits. http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3440050a_Imperial_Guard_v1.4_September_13.pdf The difference between them would be their starting weapons and available options as well as starting points. A lot of players seem to feel they are under cost. Sounds like some good games and a nice day. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282478-my-first-tournament/#findComment-3510066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Vendettas are flyers and flyers choose whether or not the have skyfire each turn so they roll on a full bs against flyers. As to the av 12, that rocks on a flyer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282478-my-first-tournament/#findComment-3510235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hear da Lamentation Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Thanks guys - that was exactly what I was missing :) HDL Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282478-my-first-tournament/#findComment-3513233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveclark890 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 SoHail I feel the pain. I want to keep a pure SW list and it grates that people instantly point to allies, I don't even use ADL. It is hard to play an out dated dex in an even newer game. I used to play a close combat Necron list before the new codex because it was the only way I could see the army working. With my wolves I see masses of wolves running across the table under the cover of a cloud of missiles so am running 75 wolves at the minute, 1 flanking (SotH) pack and 2 LF packs then the rest of my 1500 goes on hunters. I am by no means a tournie player but the mass of power armour seems to rock the confidence of most opponents I play. Obviously this is only my opinion and I do see the world a little differently to most. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282478-my-first-tournament/#findComment-3519131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloody Legionnaire Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 ^^ This is exactly why I hate it when people say "oh just give us Flakk we don't need a flyer, oh just use LFs.. we don't nee a flyer, oh use ADL..." it's really annoying the options people give in this forum to try and make C: Space Wolves more competitive. All of them except for LFs rune priest option involves buying extra models that really have nothing to do with my Codex at all. IN OTHER NEWS, though expensive, that new Fire Raptor model looks freaking sweet! I am nervous about Forge Worlds resin issues, but I would love to have one of those things Wolfyfied and in my list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282478-my-first-tournament/#findComment-3520077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sohail187 Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 ^^ This is exactly why I hate it when people say "oh just give us Flakk we don't need a flyer, oh just use LFs.. we don't nee a flyer, oh use ADL..." it's really annoying the options people give in this forum to try and make C: Space Wolves more competitive. All of them except for LFs rune priest option involves buying extra models that really have nothing to do with my Codex at all. IN OTHER NEWS, though expensive, that new Fire Raptor model looks freaking sweet! I am nervous about Forge Worlds resin issues, but I would love to have one of those things Wolfyfied and in my list. I do not think we need anti air, we can manage that okish tbh. I just do not like the effort it takes to get rid of some of the new big toys.... when other armies can deal with it so easily. Any way you should get the forgeworld stuff man. Few weeks ago i got my first item caestus assault ram, yes you are correct in regards to the resin issues. However its just another model which requires a bit more attention. I had really bad i mean BAD gaps!!!! at least 2-3mm gaps on either side. However unlike plastic its so easy to reshape with out cutting - sanding ect..ect.. All i did plug in the hair dryer warmed up the resin that needed work and bent the piece to fit. Yes it still had gaps but green stuff!!! now that it has been undercoated you cannot tell it had issues. The fire raptor is just a sick looking model and for games it can do very well if you position it well. Remember if you fit the sides with auto cannons, they can shoot different targets. Take a player who is using multiple flyers!! fly in between 2 flyers if the opportunity presents its self.. and then you can shoot each auto cannon at different flyers. The though of making a tactical move like that and pulling it off is just to cool! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282478-my-first-tournament/#findComment-3520539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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