Slips Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Merged into the Iron Hands Tactics thread ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Power swords are statistically worse than power mauls and have less utility. And with I 3, swords are useless. You want axes to be able to deal with anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Bars Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I would like some advice on a list I'm building for my next year project. It's not supposed to be super gamey but I don't want to lose by default. +++ Head of the gorgon (1998pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) ++ + HQ + Legion Praetor [Artificer Armour, Iron Halo, Paragon Blade, Volkite Serpenta] ····Iron Father [servo-arm] ····Legion Command Squad [Land Raider Phobos, 2x Legion Space Marine Chosen, Legion Standard Bearer, Power Fist, 2x Power Weapon, 2x Volkite Charger] ····Master of the Legion [The Head of the Gorgon] + Troops + Legion Tactical Squad [Land Raider Phobos, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines] ····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Power Fist] Legion Tactical Squad [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines] ····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Power Fist] + Elites + Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought [Two Twin-linked Lascannons] Legion Terminator Squad [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Chainfist, 4x Legion Terminators, Pair of Lightning Claws, 2x Power Fist, 3x Volkite Charger] ····Land Raider Phobos [Frag Assault Launchers] ····Legion Terminator Sergeant [Power Fist, Volkite Charger] + Heavy Support + Legion Vindicator [Laser Destroyer Array] + Legion + Legion Astartes [X: Iron Hands] Created with BattleScribe (http://www.battlescribe.net) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Unless your second Tac squad has a transport, I'd drop the fist from the sarge. Put a Vexilla on if possible! Also, instead of normal terms go Gorgon, they're better and about the same points with access to Grav Guns! You could also drop the phobos on the Tacs, make the Terminator transport a spartan then have a chunk of points for making the contemptor a Deredeo (better than a mortis imo) or another heavy support choice. That said though I like the triple AV14 wall - it's very cool :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) The Land Raider seems like a rather expensive way to get 4 models into an assault. Is melta still well used locally? If so, might want to consider the Armoured Ceramite. As a rule of thumb, I tend to take Ceramite on all AV14 all around vehicles and Super Heavies, as despite the expense, it can be a massive pain to think that you're saving points only to have a Veteran Squad running a pair of melta's one shot it first turn thanks to not taking Ceramite. On anything less well armoured, I often don't spend points on it. Not only does that mean I can effectively attempt to influence direct my opponents battle plans (melta will go for non shielded, lighter armoured stuff), but it means that I'm saving points on something that even despite not getting the additional penetration, is still a S8 AP1 weapon with 33% chance to penetrate per shot. Super Heavies are about the other exception, to this rule - they too get it. I'm not too sold on the bare naked Tactical Squads. Not only do you lose your bonus to Toughness against shooting when in an assault, but if tooled for an assault, you're still only providing 20-30 WS4 S4 attacks - assuming none are lost. A couple of Power fists adds somewhat to the damage, but that's a lot of points to get a very mediocre unit into an assault. I'm not sold on the use of the HotG - Blessed Autosimulacra for free is nice, but, you're an assault list, giving up Stubborn, +1 Toughness vs Shooting, all for the ability to potentially Outflank with your unit. Admittedly, there are no penalties to the list being taken (you don't use Fast Attack anyway, and don't have a Consul), so it's essentially a free outflank and possibly 1 or 2/battle regenning a single HP across all of your vehicles. That said, you have no reserves manipulation (rerolls or +1's), leaving you susceptible to -1's from the likes of Skorr or Coils of the Hydra, and outflank merely reduces your ability to assault by not only a single turn (turn 2 assaults possible from turn 1), but if a refused flank, leaving you on the other side of the board due to not having Acute Senses - meaning that it could be as long as turn 4 before you get anywhere near. That said, 3 Land Raiders is a meaty little force, 6 Lascannons, a Vindi TD, and a Kheres with some Power Weapons and Fists in support is alright. Edited December 28, 2015 by Hesh Kadesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) Downgrade the tactical landraider to a rhino, buy a secomd rhino for the other tactical, and add in either a contemptor or sicaran. Tactivals in rhinos make great objective grabbers especially coming out of reserves. Worse case, downgrade it to a proteus to afford a rhino for the other squad. Combi weapons are much more useful than chargera on terminators, since they usually only fire once before getting stuck in. Swap the power fists for chainfists on the termies. Power fists are the epitome of useless unless take en masse, they fail pretty hard against Contemptors and knight. Definitely take Gorgons over legion terminators. Edited December 28, 2015 by Wolf_Pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Bars Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Thanks for the advice. I have a couple of rhino's somewhere. A sicaran was already on order (with a deredeo). I also have a fire raptor undercoated as we speak. The idea was for the tactical with landraider to outflank and then camp on an objective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Thanks for the advice. I have a couple of rhino's somewhere. A sicaran was already on order (with a deredeo). I also have a fire raptor undercoated as we speak. The idea was for the tactical with landraider to outflank and then camp on an objective. While this is a valid tactic, the issue that arises from running land raider heavy lists is firepower. 260+ points for 2 lascannons and a multi-melta just doesn't pack enough of a punch. It's also very expensive when the unit it's driving around doesn't have the ability to clean up units coming up to it. So if you have too many land raiders and not enough fire power, you might end up in a situation where you just can't deal with infantry very well - and then the enemy gets close enough to melta bomb you off the objective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) I have question can put orth in another units dedicated transport? And would he be worth putting in a Scorpius ? Edited December 31, 2015 by RandomMarine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 See no reason why he couldn't be. And I wouldn't bother with him in a Scorpius. Anti-vehicle is a secondary and pretty mediocre capability of it, and the extra BS doesn't make as big a difference with a barrage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Orth brings most to tanks who greatly benefit from the BS increase, and maximize the tank hunter benefit. Those are usually low volume of shots tanks with non twin linked weapons. Venators, Cerberus, and due to it's rending capabilities, the glorious sicaran battle tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Putting him in the Scorpius was to give it bs5 as bs5 barrage would be quite evil. I'm also quite tempted by orth in a Achilles alpha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Why? It is an AP3 weapon. If it were AP2, yeah sure. Could use it to snipe properly, but its not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Putting him in the Scorpius was to give it bs5 as bs5 barrage would be quite evil. I'm also quite tempted by orth in a Achilles alpha While it is an increase in accuracy, it's minimal. 1/3rd of the time the BS is wasted (direct hit) and you have to roll sufficiantly high but not too high either for the -5 to matter. Tank hunter on S8 AP3 is a waste in a high AV environment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) I play games in a fairly low av environment generally only one other marine player mostly filthy xenos Edited January 1, 2016 by RandomMarine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 If it's filthy xenos you okay against, heed the sanctity of the Volkites. They will purge the heathens with the righteous conflagrating fury of the omnissiah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 There really needs to be some kind of graviton tank, even if it's just for us. A fun xenos/ anything-less-than-a-terminator mincer is a unit of 2-3 flamestorm predators outflanking with HotG. Doesn't apply to Orth, but it's still worth a consider. Even makes Necrons weep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Can Orth hitch a Ride in a Medusa and because of Squadron rules give them all Tank Hunters with the main tank being BS5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) It's gotta be AV13 or over on at least one facing, so nope. Which is a sad.EDIT: Although Predators... Edited January 2, 2016 by Raktra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Hmm thats right... Damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaolin_Monkey Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Or go all out and put him in the Achilles leading a Land Raider squadron.... Nice cheap way to field him too..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 If it's filthy xenos you okay against, heed the sanctity of the Volkites. They will purge the heathens with the righteous conflagrating fury of the omnissiah[/quote Yep the holy choom is with us http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah274/mortiscorax29/Ironhands%2030k/IMG_20151117_183955_zpsohjzeplf.jpg http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah274/mortiscorax29/Ironhands%2030k/IMG_20151028_093526_1_zpsbsar8qsd.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I approve! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Now they need a MoS and Autek Mor's lovely Warlord trait. Watch that unit go from "ouch" to "accidentally made your opponent sterile". Caillum and Emperors Teeth 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Now they need a MoS and Autek Mor's lovely Warlord trait. Watch that unit go from "ouch" to "accidentally made your opponent sterile". What's his warlord trait? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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