Legion Rivalries

[Unknown Chronicler]

Well I want to change the question as it seems a bit challenging to match up legions, so the ones that we all know have a deep hatred/ rivalry are so far:

 

Ultramarines vs Word Bearers

 

Imperial Fists vs Iron Warriors

 

Space Wolves vs Thousand Sons

 

Iron Hands vs Emperor's Children

 

 

Now thinking about what is left over which of the ones would YOU think should be pitted against each other if there was a battle which legion should fight another? What would be an epic battle? Because like said I am making a strike force for every legion (which will also eventually grow over time) and I will many times enemy corpses on a base or so that is why I am asking these questions.

 

Loyalists: Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Raven Guard, Salamanders and White Scars

 

Traitors: Sons of Horus, Night Lords, Alpha Legion, Death Guard and World Eaters

[DuskRaider]

Alpha Legion v. Dark Angels might actually be an interesting idea. Not much in the way of it fluff wise, but you'd have two different styles of warfare (nobility vs. subterfuge & shadow stalking). 

 

I think the idea behind something like this is you'd want two forces who oppose each other not only in fluff, but also warfare tactics and maybe even philosophies.

[Hrvat]

As far as I know nothing new was added that would negate the statement from Sons of Horus IA that World Eaters and Blood Angels were rivals. Also not every legion needs to have a rival, and some like Ultramarines could have more than one.

[Kais Klip]

See I'd love an account of AL infiltrating Night Lords. The amount of backstabbery would actually go down.

[The boater]

Sallies vs dg would be a cool battle. (and according to massacre it happened) You would literally have the battle between the hammer AND the anvil. Heavy hard hitting infantry that won't relent against the immovable wall of fire. Love it

 

-the Boater

[Dumah]

See I'd love an account of AL infiltrating Night Lords. The amount of backstabbery would actually go down.

 

But the amount of front-stabbery would be at an all-time high! Even some instances of knives stabbing knives, I wager.

[Scribe]

I agree with NL vs Sallies morally. 

[BassWave]

Sons of horus vs blood angels. Horus killed sanguinius so hard, the blood angels cried over it for 10000 years. I'd say the BA have a grudge.

 

Clearly death guard and white scars have been revealed to be rivals.

 

Raven guard were royally screwed over by the alpha legion, definitely a grudge there.

 

And +1 for salamanders vs night lords for reasons already stated.

 

Now for the less obvious one. World Eaters vs Dark Angels. Nobility vs savagery. No specific rivalry in fluff, however the juxtaposition of the two legions would be neat.

[Brother Captain Kezef]

I don't know where this RG v AL stuff is coming from. In First Heretic and Deliverance it's made pretty clear that Corax has a big issue with Curze. The Night Lords represent what the Raven Guard could of become and Corax is even a little scared of that possibility.

[Kol Saresk]

I don't know where this RG v AL stuff is coming from. In First Heretic and Deliverance it's made pretty clear that Corax has a big issue with Curze. The Night Lords represent what the Raven Guard could of become and Corax is even a little scared of that possibility.

It's mostly from reading the events in Deliverance Lost combined with that both Legions are something of special forces in operation. Kind of serves to point out where I said the rivalries will differ from person to person based on what they see as the primary aspect for rivalries.

 

For example;

 

Raven Guard vs Iron Warriors(the hunt at Istvaan V plus Corax's general disdain for the static movements of the Iron Warriors; mentioned in Raven's Flight IIRC)

 

Raven Guard vs Night Lords(Looking through a Mirror Darkly)

 

Raven Guard vs Alpha Legion(Similar combat doctrines; Events at Deliverance following the Massacre; Sabotage of the Raven Guard gene-seed supply)

[DuskRaider]

Ultramarines vs. Alpha Legion would be fun as well... As we know, there was always a rivalry there and once the Heresy broke out, the Alpha Legion did make attempts on Guilliman's life.

[The Highlander]

I think it goes: (in terms of rivalries and not hatred)

Blood Angels-World Eaters

Space Wolves-Dark Angels

Imperial Fists-Iron Warriors

Ultramarines-Word Bearers

Raven Guard-Night Lords??

[depthcharge12]

I think it goes: (in terms of rivalries and not hatred)

Blood Angels-World Eaters

Space Wolves-Dark Angels

Imperial Fists-Iron Warriors

Ultramarines-Word Bearers

Raven Guard-Night Lords??

 

I would agree with all of those as actual rivalries and not hatred except for the last one.

 

 

Most people have been doing grudges and not much rivalries. Even the ultras and WBs had a rivalry going as they are largest legions and who is more successful with compliance

[Snickers]

Ill definitly put a vote in for Dark Angels vs Sons of Horus, honestly who has bigger egos and issues then the Lion and Horus?? Also Scars vs Alpha Legion, fast and mobile vs sneaky and the multiple head hydra tactics, and lastly Blood Angels vs Night Lords, A One Time Only Main Event Smackdown, Battle of the Jump Packs!!

[Brother Captain Kezef]

Space wolves and world eaters have issues and did get into a real shooting fight before the heresy.

[Conn Eremon]

This is the kind of thing that will just spiral back and forth without solution. Not every Legion had an arch-enemy on the other side. Some very clearly did, like the Thousand Sons and the Space Wolves.

 

But most will not have it quite so simple. The Word Bearers broke Ultramar, the Emperor's children killed their Primarch, the Alpha Legion wanted to use them as an example of their superiority. Declaring one the arch-enemy does little more than cheapen both involved, by dismissing the others. The Ultramarines can't declare the Emperor's Children their arch-enemy without saying that the destruction of the realm they were responsible for or the near invalidation of their creed is less important than the assassination of their lord. Which is not the case. All combined, of equal influence would be true.

 

You'd be better served to choose specific conflicts instead of rivalries as your thematic basis. Calth, Thramas, Isstvan, Terra, the Iron Cage, so forth.

[Brother Captain Kezef]

This is the kind of thing that will just spiral back and forth without solution. Not every Legion had an arch-enemy on the other side. Some very clearly did, like the Thousand Sons and the Space Wolves.

 

But most will not have it quite so simple. The Word Bearers broke Ultramar, the Emperor's children killed their Primarch, the Alpha Legion wanted to use them as an example of their superiority. Declaring one the arch-enemy does little more than cheapen both involved, by dismissing the others. The Ultramarines can't declare the Emperor's Children their arch-enemy without saying that the destruction of the realm they were responsible for or the near invalidation of their creed is less important than the assassination of their lord. Which is not the case. All combined, of equal influence would be true.

 

You'd be better served to choose specific conflicts instead of rivalries as your thematic basis. Calth, Thramas, Isstvan, Terra, the Iron Cage, so forth.

 

That's a good point, it's not a whole black and white, legion Y hates legion X kind of thing. It's a tangled web of rivalries, alliances and grudges.