Scouting devestator centurions

[Molokai]

Basically this boils down to this question. Can very bulky models use the scout rule?

 

Playing white scars with khan on moondraken, biker captain, and grav cents. Attach biker captain to dev unit to confer scout. Outflanking centurions.

 

Am I good to go?

[Magpie]

Yep. When it comes to Scout, size doesn't matter ;)

[Molokai]

Awesome!

[hallodx]

It's totally fine. I ran it like 6 games and it's pretty good if you have your ADL there.

[Quixus]

Magpie, on 13 Nov 2013 - 05:27, said:

Yep. When it comes to Scout, size doesn't matter

Isn't the Warhound called a Scout Titan?

[Magpie]

Isn't the Warhound called a Scout Titan?

 

It is.

 

It does not however have the Scout USR

[Kierdale]

 

Isn't the Warhound called a Scout Titan?

 

It is.

 

It does not however have the Scout USR

For that, you need Creed ;)

[Magpie]

Or a Grey Knight Grand Master.

[Leonaides]

I may be wrong but isn't there a restriction on 2plus saves as part of the chapter tactic? Not the USR. Or am I confusing it with the ravenguard ones?

[Surrender_Monkey]

Ravenguard rules exclude Bulky and Very Bulky models from having scout and first turn stealth, however the wording for both Scout and Stealth USRs is "A unit containing at least one model..." so all you need to do is deploy your Centurions with an independent character in power armour and they will get both.

[Molokai]

For white scars the ic needs to be on a bike.

[Raeven]

Ravenguard rules exclude Bulky and Very Bulky models from having scout and first turn stealth, however the wording for both Scout and Stealth USRs is "A unit containing at least one model..." so all you need to do is deploy your Centurions with an independent character in power armour and they will get both.

 

No.  Read the rules on deployment.  In order for an IC or unit to deploy as scouts, they have to have the rule.  Deployment means you have to be able to deploy together. 

 

You can only attach an IC to a unit by deploying them within 2" of each other, unless you put the IC in a transport with a unit.

[Cactus]

Raeven, are you confusing the scout and infiltrate rules? I see no reason you can't deploy a character with the scout rule with another unit and have them all make a scout redeployment.

[Morollan]

Ravenguard rules exclude Bulky and Very Bulky models from having scout and first turn stealth, however the wording for both Scout and Stealth USRs is "A unit containing at least one model..." so all you need to do is deploy your Centurions with an independent character in power armour and they will get both.

 

The Raven Guard rules also specifically say that units that include models with the Bulky or Very Bulky special rules do not benefit from either rule. So if any member of the unit is bulky then none of the unit benefits from Scout or 1st turn Stealth.

[Dam13n]

With Khan, the unit/model must either be on a bike or have a dedicated transport. Which in the case of Centurions would mean putting them in a Land Raider (which they can take as a DT IIRC).

 

The Character on Bike idea is good to go so long as the scout rule is worded "so long as a unit contains at least 1 model with..."

 

As has been said - with the Raven Guard rules, any unit containing bulky or very bulky models cannot benefit from that particular part of their Chapter Tactics.

[Gentlemanloser]

 

With Khan, the unit/model must either be on a bike or have a dedicated transport. Which in the case of Centurions would mean putting them in a Land Raider (which they can take as a DT IIRC).

 

Yup.  Both flavours of Centurion can take a LR as a DT, and if you have Khan, they can Scout (well they need to be embarked, as the DT gains the ability to Scout.  You could always Scout the LR empty...)

[Raeven]

Raeven, are you confusing the scout and infiltrate rules? I see no reason you can't deploy a character with the scout rule with another unit and have them all make a scout redeployment.

 

Sorry, yes. I was thinking infiltration.

 

So yes, you can make a turn 2 outflank maneuver with just an IC with scout and whatever unit he is attached too.

 

With Khan, the unit/model must either be on a bike or have a dedicated transport. Which in the case of Centurions would mean putting them in a Land Raider (which they can take as a DT IIRC).

 

Yup. Both flavours of Centurion can take a LR as a DT, and if you have Khan, they can Scout (well they need to be embarked, as the DT gains the ability to Scout. You could always Scout the LR empty...)

 

 

Er, no. Vehicles do not have Chapter Tactics. Only the models in the unit that are CT(White Scars) get the scout rule.

[Gentlemanloser]

Khans rules, isn't it?  He gives scout to Bikes and units with DTs.

 

I'll check when I get home.

[Magpie]

Yep the rule is units that have chapter tactics and are bikes or have a DT

[Gentlemanloser]

Yup.

 

 

Master of the Hunt: If Khan is your Warlord, friendly models with the Chapter Tactics (White Scars) special rule that are Bikes or have Dedicated Transports have the Scout special rule.

 

So as said above, with Khan both type of Centurion (both have Chapter Tactics as a rule and can take LRs as DTs) can Scout in their LRs.

[Quozzo]

I don't have the codex with me, but do Centurions have chapter tactics as that to me reads:

Those with chapter tactics and are bikes or those with chapter tactics and have a dedicated transport.

If so then yes.

[Gentlemanloser]

 

both have Chapter Tactics as a rule

[Quozzo]

I just might, dare i say, use vanilla marines only to try out shock assault centurions. If only there was a way to concede the first turn.