Techmarine question

[lt051]

So with the new-ish rules regarding the servo harness: If I have a techmarine with a warding stave and I choose to use my servoharness for my attacks, do I loose the 2++ in cc?

[Grand Master Caloth]

No you don't

[Reclusiarch Darius]

I don't understand. The warding stave grants a 2+ invul in melee, regardless of whether you swing with it or not. Have they made it so you have to choose to servo-arm or swing with your force weapon? If so that's kinda hilarious but yeah, you still get your invul save in melee. 

[Quozzo]

That 2++ can be used regardless of where the wounds comes from, provided the model is in combat, so blast weapons that "strolled" your way can take that 2++ save.

[Grand Master Caloth]

Also, the servo arm is essentially an EXTRA attack at I1, not you make all attacks with it, i thought

[Jolemai]

That's no longer the case following the latest FAQ.

[Reclusiarch Darius]

Lame. Ah well, it's not like Tech-Marines were gods of melee before anyway. They're usually up the back repairing PsyDreads and shooting conversion beamers into the enemy. 

[Valerian]

That's no longer the case following the latest FAQ.

 What does latest FAQ actually say?  

[Gentlemanloser]

 

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Basically, it's just another weapon.  It's not wargear that gives you extra attacks.

[Inquisitor Fox]

Note however, it pairs well with a Techmarine bearing a Daemonhammer ;)

[Reclusiarch Darius]

Lol. Well I guess you're never using anything else in melee. I still reckon Tech-Marines are better with conversion beamers than being in an assault anyway. 

[lt051]

so not to revive and old topic but......

 

I didnt look at this after the first comment, but apparently alot of people didnt realize the rule changes regarding servo harness, so what is the opinion on this now? Would my tech marine have to choose between power fist attacks and a 2++? Or do I get both?

 

The wording is for the stave is "weilding" in the codex so its kinda vague.

[Reclusiarch Darius]

You get your 2++. The stave says 'wielder', that means the model that has it equipped. It doesn't magically lose it's stave if you don't use it in melee, it's always on passively. 

[Kenderleech]

Also, note that the harness gives you TWO servo arms, so you have 2 supapowafists, should you choose to use them instead of whatever other weapon you have,

[Gentlemanloser]

Which now only give you +1A, rather than an extra two at I1...

 

:'(

[Reclusiarch Darius]

I still say it's largely meaningless. Tech-Marines were never more than a fun choice anyway, and now that PsyDreads are being replaced by Ravens or DK's, there is even less reason to bother. (shrug) My overpriced 1-wound character got slightly worse at melee, oh noes. 

[BloodTzar]

It is bit off topic, but I wonder if I have tech priest with the beamer and orbital BBQ, can I shoot both (gunslinger rule perhaps :) ) ?

[Gentlemanloser]

Nope.

 

Neither are Pistols.

[lt051]

Ya he is more neat than useful, but having 3 power fist attacks and a 2++ is ALOT better than 3 powerfist or 2++. Mainly he is just an expensive grenade carrier

[Reclusiarch Darius]

 

 

Ya he is more neat than useful, but having 3 power fist attacks and a 2++ is ALOT better than 3 powerfist or 2++. Mainly he is just an expensive grenade carrier 

 

Pretty much. Honestly, if you want the Bat Belt of grenades (psycho+frag+psyk-out+rad), just take a Grandmaster. He's a million times better in melee, he's tougher, and he hands out an amazing buff to the army that is very flexible (Grand Strategy was written with 6th edition in mind, it slots so well into the various mission types). He's also not that much more expensive, and he takes up HQ not Elites. 

[Brovius]

 

 

 

Ya he is more neat than useful, but having 3 power fist attacks and a 2++ is ALOT better than 3 powerfist or 2++. Mainly he is just an expensive grenade carrier 

 

Pretty much. Honestly, if you want the Bat Belt of grenades (psycho+frag+psyk-out+rad), just take a Grandmaster. He's a million times better in melee, he's tougher, and he hands out an amazing buff to the army that is very flexible (Grand Strategy was written with 6th edition in mind, it slots so well into the various mission types). He's also not that much more expensive, and he takes up HQ not Elites. 

This.

GMs are worth their weight in gold (Ok, bad analogy since they can me made out of plastic these days).

 

Grand Strategy is awesome, the only one that isn't useful is the one that gives counterattack IMO. Making NDKs/'ceptors scoring for a turn 5 objective shunt-steal is Necron-levels of cheese and rerolling 1s to wound can net some extra rending hits out of a 4xpsycannon Purifier squad or even a unit with S5 Storm Bolters (psuedo-rerolls to wound against squishies like IG, Tau and Eldar).

 

Also worth noting that you can use the stave's 2++ against Perils if you're in melee when you dun' goof the psychic test, the same is not true of swords due to their super specific wording though, unfortunately.

[Reclusiarch Darius]

 

 

Also worth noting that you can use the stave's 2++ against Perils if you're in melee when you dun' goof the psychic test, the same is not true of swords due to their super specific wording though, unfortunately.

Just wait, GW will decide that's not enough forged narrative and remove it from saving against Perils. It's actually strange they've never considered invul saves against Perils, its why storm shields on Libby's are such value. 

[Quozzo]

Inv saves cannot be used against perils, only FnP.

[lt051]

The BRB says "..cannot mix and match the abilities of several different melee weapons." regarding having multiple ccw. Would this invalidate the whole "wielding" wording in C:GK?

[Gentlemanloser]

Nope, as you're not hitting anyone in CC with any ability of the Waridng Staff.