Gentlemanloser Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Let's see if I have this straight. If I take Coteaz as an Ally, he's not a Battle Brother. Yet if I now take Coteaz as an Ally, he is a Battle Brother. The 'bad' Coteaz also requires me to take a Troop Choice as well, and uses my Allies slot. The 'ZOMG Coteaz got even better!!!' version, doesn't require me to take a Troop, nor does he take up my Ally slot. Can we just pause for a minute. GW have just made the Inquisitorial choices in our own :cuss Codex totally redundant. I would be better off taking Coteaz from Codex: Inquisition, to taking him from my own Codex... God damn GW, just Black Templar us already... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283393-coteaz-battle-brother-or-not/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoDoc Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 What? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283393-coteaz-battle-brother-or-not/#findComment-3523573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted November 16, 2013 Author Share Posted November 16, 2013 One is Codex: Grey Knights Coteaz. The other is Codex: Inquisition Coteaz. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283393-coteaz-battle-brother-or-not/#findComment-3523587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CovertToaster Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Yeah and now any inquisitor can run full henchman warbands as troops so no actual need to play Coteaz if you don't like/need his special rules anymore! Why pay a premium when you can make your own such as OM inquisitor with terminator armour, nemesis daemon hammer, and a psycannon then you can take exactly what you want while still spamming henchmen. In fact I'm tempted to run that guy in with my deathwing, well almost, the T3 is a bit of an issue; In PA with a hellrifle, hanging out with my scouts is pretty appealing though! Even better unlocking a Valkyrie to compensate for the decidedly average, and overcosted, flyer that GW has lumped us with makes the PA option above VERY appealing for my current army. It does seem like GK are getting the short end of the stick though, I'm sure GW will smooth out any wrinkles eventually, but GK's have had it pretty lush for a while now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283393-coteaz-battle-brother-or-not/#findComment-3523811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShottyScotty Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Can I use 2 coteaz? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283393-coteaz-battle-brother-or-not/#findComment-3523842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MayorDaley Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Can I use 2 coteaz? Unique Character Cheers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283393-coteaz-battle-brother-or-not/#findComment-3523850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CovertToaster Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 In PA with a hellrifle, hanging out with my scouts is pretty appealing though! I'm pointing this out before someone else does as apparently if I want to take a transport I have to take a warband too (oops!). Not as good but still something I'm looking into probably a mix of crusaders/priests as a denial unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283393-coteaz-battle-brother-or-not/#findComment-3523935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dropped my axe Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Yeah and now any inquisitor can run full henchman warbands as troops so no actual need to play Coteaz if you don't like/need his special rules anymore! Why pay a premium when you can make your own such as OM inquisitor with terminator armour, nemesis daemon hammer, and a psycannon then you can take exactly what you want while still spamming henchmen. In fact I'm tempted to run that guy in with my deathwing, well almost, the T3 is a bit of an issue; In PA with a hellrifle, hanging out with my scouts is pretty appealing though! Even better unlocking a Valkyrie to compensate for the decidedly average, and overcosted, flyer that GW has lumped us with makes the PA option above VERY appealing for my current army. It does seem like GK are getting the short end of the stick though, I'm sure GW will smooth out any wrinkles eventually, but GK's have had it pretty lush for a while now. they only count as scoring if they are the primary attachment otherwise i think you need Coteaz to make them scoring if they are allied since they are elites. at least i think thats what it means Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283393-coteaz-battle-brother-or-not/#findComment-3524124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Wait...so they made Coteaz even more powerful? Hahahahaha nice. New Valkyrie transport is pretty hot. We basically have no reason to ever use ground vehicles now. Flyer army all the way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283393-coteaz-battle-brother-or-not/#findComment-3526805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted November 20, 2013 Author Share Posted November 20, 2013 Yeah, he's a Battle Brother now. And you can purchase him, without manditory 1/2 Troops. Or using your Ally slot. Coteaz + Grav Centurion? Coteaz + Red Hunter Terminators + SoB Priests? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283393-coteaz-battle-brother-or-not/#findComment-3526811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Neat. I have yet to try out Red Hunter Stormhammers with him, mitebgud. Centurions are a trap I feel. Riptides rek them all day, as does any AP2. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283393-coteaz-battle-brother-or-not/#findComment-3526852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkOne Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Yeah and now any inquisitor can run full henchman warbands as troops so no actual need to play Coteaz if you don't like/need his special rules anymore! Why pay a premium when you can make your own such as OM inquisitor with terminator armour, nemesis daemon hammer, and a psycannon then you can take exactly what you want while still spamming henchmen. In fact I'm tempted to run that guy in with my deathwing, well almost, the T3 is a bit of an issue; In PA with a hellrifle, hanging out with my scouts is pretty appealing though! Even better unlocking a Valkyrie to compensate for the decidedly average, and overcosted, flyer that GW has lumped us with makes the PA option above VERY appealing for my current army. It does seem like GK are getting the short end of the stick though, I'm sure GW will smooth out any wrinkles eventually, but GK's have had it pretty lush for a while now. they only count as scoring if they are the primary attachment otherwise i think you need Coteaz to make them scoring if they are allied since they are elites. at least i think thats what it means So here's where GW makes ambiguity a headache, at lease for me. C:I Cotaez' lord of Formosa entry says: "If an Inquisitorial detachment includes Inquisitor Cotaez, all units of Inquisitorial Henchmen Warbands in the same detachment are scoring units, even if they are not from your primary detachment." The question here is what defines 'in the same detachment'? does that refer to the inquistorial detachment? or does that refer to your entire army as a detachment? Essentially, does taking a C:I Cotaez allied into a GK primary unlock henchmen as troops for the GK? Does he allow me to take MSU razor units as the mandatory minimum troop choices for the army? Neat. I have yet to try out Red Hunter Stormhammers with him, mitebgud. Centurions are a trap I feel. Riptides rek them all day, as does any AP2. Riptides do indeed hurt them, but Centuirons are also T5, so they won't be instant killed by the riptide gun in the same way that Paladins will. they will take lots of wounds, but will likely survive a single blast. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283393-coteaz-battle-brother-or-not/#findComment-3530692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkOne Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 and for reference C:GK Cotaez Lord of Formosa rule reads like this: "Inquistorial Henchmen Warbands are Troops choices in an army that includes inquistor Torquemada Cotaez, and are not limited by the number of Inquistors in your army" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283393-coteaz-battle-brother-or-not/#findComment-3530704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 C:GK Coteaz is a trap! (Inset Admiral Akbar). If you take GK Coteaz, you *cannot* take a single C:I warband. As C:I has no Troop slots. C:I Coteaz only make the Warbands in the Inquisitorial detachment scoring. Detachments are separate. You have Primary, Inquisition and Allied. Edit: The unit from C:I is called "INQUISITORIAL HENCHMEN WARBAND". Well, that puts the kibosh on my 13 Chimera / 9 Razorback list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283393-coteaz-battle-brother-or-not/#findComment-3530866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkOne Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Yes it appears it does indeed. So the 2 Coteaz` do two slightly different things: C:GK Coteaz makes Inquisitorial Henchmen Warbands taken from C:GK into troops choices that no longer need to be one per Inquisitor. they become scoring as a result of being troops, and allow C:GK to take nice cheap troop units. C:I Coteaz makes inquisitorial Warbands from any detachment (even C:GK) scoring, but not Troops. This is fine as the force org chart for C:I does not require troops. It does mean that if allying in C:GK we must use 1 unit of terminators or Strikers to fulfill our mandatory minimum of troops, and cannot bring troop inq warbands. Can`t have the best of both worlds I guess! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283393-coteaz-battle-brother-or-not/#findComment-3530882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysere Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 The Iquisitorial Detachment is different than a detachment from C:GK so if you take him as part of the Iqusitor Detachment he does not make the C:GK ones scoring at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283393-coteaz-battle-brother-or-not/#findComment-3530889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boreas Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Are the different detachment considered different armies? Because the wording on Coteaz specifies "army", IIRC... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283393-coteaz-battle-brother-or-not/#findComment-3531035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 That's why the GK Coteaz messes up Inquisitorial detachment warbands, but the C:I Coteaz doesn't effect GK Warbands. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283393-coteaz-battle-brother-or-not/#findComment-3531052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysere Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 C:GK would allow the Inquistorial group to take them as troops, but the Inquisition detachment doesn't have troop slots so all they do is mess it up. C:I does nothing for GKs because of how it is worded only applies to the Inquisitorial Detachment. Different wording, different rules. Basically what was said just above. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283393-coteaz-battle-brother-or-not/#findComment-3531628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 So I guess you take the Inquisition Coteaz for when you have a couple of warbands, and take the GK Coteaz when you want to run Henchmen mech or a full Henchmen list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283393-coteaz-battle-brother-or-not/#findComment-3533462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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