L30n1d4s Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Thumbing through the new Codex: Inquisition, this is what I have come up with for the ultimate new close combat unit: -Allied Inquisitor with Rad Grenades and PML(1)/Hammerhand/Force Sword, as well as the Relic that gives Scout on a Ld check from the Inquisitor (from the new Inquisition codex, not C: GK) -Grey Knight Librarian with PML(3) Quicksilver, Hammerhand, Might of Titan, and Warding Stave -Inquisitorial Warband with 8 Priests (from the new Inquistion codex, not C: GK). This unit is Fearless and has re-rolls to hit on the first round of combat due to Priest's Zealot USR. Book Relic allows Scout the first turn in order to get closer as footsloggers and allows things like Hatred, Counterattack, etc. on subsequent turns. More importantly is the synergy. Using 2x Hammerhands, Might of Titan, Quicksilver, and 6 of the Priests' War Hymn with the Smash option, you have: -24 S6 AP2 I10 attacks on the charge, plus 3 S7 AP3 I10 attacks (Librarian Warding Stave) and 5 S6 AP3 I10 (Inquisitor Force Sword), plus 8 S6 AP- I10 attacks (2 Priest not using Smash option). All of these attacks have Amourbane, so goodby any type of vehicle they charge. -Also, the enemy they are charging has -1T (due to Rad grenades), which means standard MEQs T4 are reduced to T3 which, coincidently, is low enough for ID from all the attacks made by this unit, without even having to use Force Weapons. Even most MCs are reduced to T5, meaning that they are being wounded on 3+s or 2+s by this unit's weapons. -The remaining two Priests use the War Hymns to buff their unit with basically Shred USR (so re-roll all failed to wounds) and re-roll all armor/Invul saves. That means that the Priests are getting better than a Storm Shield with their Rosarius wargear (a re-rollable 4++ is better than a 3++) and the Librarian is getting a re-rollable 2++ (from Warding Stave), making him ridiculous in challenges while the rest of the unit tears through the enemy unit. The weakness of this unit are its costs (slightly over 500 points, which is a a lot, but compared to many other deathstars, such as a LRC full of TH/SS Terminators, not so excessive), its vulnerability to shooting out of combat, and its depending on a lot of Ld 10 Psychic Tests/Ld Checks for Battle Hymns. On the charge, I don't know of a single unit in the game that is going to win combat against this unit (or only some very rare, very lucky ones). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283394-uber-close-combat-inquisatorial-henchman-band/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Morgrim Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Nice one.....nasty....might give it a try myself :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283394-uber-close-combat-inquisatorial-henchman-band/#findComment-3524189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Priest Ld7 is the weakness of this. Not guaranteed to make your Hymn roll. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283394-uber-close-combat-inquisatorial-henchman-band/#findComment-3524325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
L30n1d4s Posted November 17, 2013 Author Share Posted November 17, 2013 Priests should be able to test for War Hymns on Ld10 from Inquisitor or Librarian. Unlike Psychic Tests, I believe they can use the best Ld in the unit when making regular Ld tests, which is what a test for War Hymns should be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283394-uber-close-combat-inquisatorial-henchman-band/#findComment-3524473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Rule is; War Hymns: A model with this special rule can take a Leadership test at the beginning of each Fight sub-phase in which he is locked in combat. If the test is successful, choose one of the following war hymns to immediately take effect. Under Leadership Tests in the BRB it states; If a unit includes models with different Leadership values, always use the highest Leadership from among them. So it should be ok for Priests to use an ICs Ld for their War Hymns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283394-uber-close-combat-inquisatorial-henchman-band/#findComment-3524545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Heh. Your principal problem is though, that melee is still weaker than shooting in 6th. Melee Deathstars are basically gone thanks to Riptides, Assault Terminators can still work but they need Raven delivery usually. It'd be fun for laughs, but put that down against any shooting list (ie most 6th edtion builds) and they'll evapourate it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283394-uber-close-combat-inquisatorial-henchman-band/#findComment-3526809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominikB Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Toughness drop doesn't affect ID and te unwieldy will still make them strike at I1 sadly Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283394-uber-close-combat-inquisatorial-henchman-band/#findComment-3529283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Caloth Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 Yes, T drops do effect ID Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283394-uber-close-combat-inquisatorial-henchman-band/#findComment-3530213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymirl Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 What if your opponent shoots your T3 5+ save priests with boltguns or something and kills them all? I'm not sure I'd be keen to try have a librarian tank damage for them... While on paper it puts out a reasonable amount of combat damage, it's very very fragile. Surely you'd be better off losing the Librarian and getting a land raider to ride in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283394-uber-close-combat-inquisatorial-henchman-band/#findComment-3530484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominikB Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 My codex says in explanation that it doesn't change it for ID. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283394-uber-close-combat-inquisatorial-henchman-band/#findComment-3530771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysere Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 My codex says in explanation that it doesn't change it for ID. Which codex? If it's GK they might have changed it in an FAQ, if you have C:I then I guess they made the Inquisition worse than the GK in that respect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283394-uber-close-combat-inquisatorial-henchman-band/#findComment-3530803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 This is from the original release of Codex: Inquisition (with the one use Orbital Strike); RAD GRENADES Rad grenades detonate in a shower of tiny contaminated fragments. Each particle’s radioactive emissions have a millisecond half-life, ensuring that the thrower can charge in without exposing himself to contamination. Nevertheless, those enemies caught in the initial explosion will feel the rad grenade’s debilitating influence for some time afterwards. During a turn in which a unit equipped with rad grenades launches an assault, or is assaulted, the enemy unit(s) suffer a -1 penalty to their Toughness until the end of the phase (this does affect the victims’ Instant Death threshold). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283394-uber-close-combat-inquisatorial-henchman-band/#findComment-3530863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Caloth Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Just as darkstrider's toy reduces toughness by one, it effects the ID threshold as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283394-uber-close-combat-inquisatorial-henchman-band/#findComment-3531238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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