Necron Death Ray

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Searchy was no use to me.

 

 

Two questions (that I have seen are hotly debated on other forums).

 

1.  Can the Death Scythe shoot into combat?

 

2.  Whats the arc of fire on the Death Scythe?

 

thanks.

[Ishagu]

Also, I assume it can't snap-fire?

[Lysere]

Also, I assume it can't snap-fire?

 

 

Can it "roll to hit?" Simply answer to that. Can't roll to hit then you can't snapfire. (At least last I checked)

[Axagoras]

What does snap firing have to do with any of the questions asked...

On question 1 yes it can because theres nothing stopping it much like jaws of the world wolf picking guys out of CC

for question 2 id say the first point has to abide by the 45 degree hull mounted arc but you can drag the other end in any direction

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Axagoras, 

 

Thanks.  I thought the same about question 2!

 

 

Re: Question 1- The argument stopping it is said to be page 28. 

 

"Models cannot shoot at units locked in close combat"

[Magpie]

You can only shoot into combat if you have a specific allowance to do so. So no you can't Death Ray or JotWW into combat.

[Jolemai]

What does snap firing have to do with any of the questions asked...

Also, I assume it can't snap-fire?

[Lysere]

You can only shoot into combat if you have a specific allowance to do so. So no you can't Death Ray or JotWW into combat.

 

Now if you shoot a unit that happens to be right next to a unit in assault you could still end up drawing a line through the assault. Again just can't 'target' the assault units.

[Morticon]

 

You can only shoot into combat if you have a specific allowance to do so. So no you can't Death Ray or JotWW into combat.

 

Now if you shoot a unit that happens to be right next to a unit in assault you could still end up drawing a line through the assault. Again just can't 'target' the assault units.

 

Lysere- the "targeting" of a unit is a 5th ed throwback. It pops up in all these debates online. 

6th ed no longer says you may not "target" a unit in combat it says: "a unit may not shoot at models in close combat"

 

Im happy to accept that as a compromise - but, is it actually the case?

[Axagoras]

It never covers how you work that out but you just pick a point on the board and I guess you would need to drag it through a unit not in CC but if it hits guys in CC then its not against the rules

[Magpie]

You can't place a blast template on a unit not in cc if it would cover a mini in cc. Same here.

[Axagoras]

it isnt a blast template its just a line

[Magpie]

The principle is the same for goodness sake.

 

You cannot shoot at models in close combat, tracing the line of a Necron Death Ray through them is shooting them, whether they are the actual target or not.

[Lysere]

The principle is the same for goodness sake.

 

You cannot shoot at models in close combat, tracing the line of a Necron Death Ray through them is shooting them, whether they are the actual target or not.

 

If I recall one end of the line scatters. Blast weapons can end up landing on units in an assault due to scatter. I believe things that draw a line or some such that has an end that scatters could arguably do the same. Would take a lot of luck though.

[hallodx]

No shooting at units locked in CC at your will. A temp may scattered to a engaged unit, but you don't know before throwing dice. And death ray, it don't scatter, and it is shooting attack. Should be very clear.

 

Edit: and jaw is shooting too.

[Magpie]

You nominate the end point within 3D6 so there is no random element as to where the end of the line is, you choose where it will end.

 

Nominate Start point - Roll 3D6 - Nominate End point

[Lysere]

You nominate the end point within 3D6 so there is no random element as to where the end of the line is, you choose where it will end.

 

Nominate Start point - Roll 3D6 - Nominate End point

 

Ah that's right, in that case no you couldn't shoot at the assault. I just remember that there was some dice rolling involved for randomness, couldn't remember the rules.