jeremy1391 Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 So I've started unremembered empire and I have come to think that when the beacon is lit that it may be what got the tyranids to turn their gaze into our galaxy.... What do y'all think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283542-the-beacon-of-maccrage-and-sotha/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 It's the common theory running around at the moment. EDIT: Although a counterpoint would be why couldn't the Astronomicon do the same? Both are beacons after all and we have no evidence that the Pharos is any brighter than the Astronomicon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283542-the-beacon-of-maccrage-and-sotha/#findComment-3526075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 The astronomicon is actually doing the same. That's why the Tyranids are rushing to Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283542-the-beacon-of-maccrage-and-sotha/#findComment-3526103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 The astronomicon is actually doing the same. That's why the Tyranids are rushing to Terra.I know. But who is to say that it wasn't originally the Astronomicon that attracted them? IIRC, every fleet that is on a map is usually coming in from the south east in a general northwest direction. How do we really know it was the Pharos and not the Astronomicon that attracted them when the Astronomicon has been pumping out power for far longer? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283542-the-beacon-of-maccrage-and-sotha/#findComment-3526112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Because that would be a funny coincidence if the Tyranids came to Maccrage first instead of directly getting to Terra, if it wasn't to devour and shut down the Pharos. I'd say they came for the Pharos in the first place, and then came back for the astronomicon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283542-the-beacon-of-maccrage-and-sotha/#findComment-3526116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveNYC Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Or they were hungry after a long trip and decided to stop off for a snack along the way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283542-the-beacon-of-maccrage-and-sotha/#findComment-3526118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted November 19, 2013 Author Share Posted November 19, 2013 Could be that just the astronomicon wasn't enough for the bugs to see us, but the Pharos and the astronomicon combined put out enough "light" for the bugs to see our galaxy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283542-the-beacon-of-maccrage-and-sotha/#findComment-3526125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Because that would be a funny coincidence if the Tyranids came to Maccrage first instead of directly getting to Terra, if it wasn't to devour and shut down the Pharos. I'd say they came for the Pharos in the first place, and then came back for the astronomicon. Except the Pharos isn't at Macragge. It's like a laser pointer. It shines the light somewhere else. It made Macragge visible to those who didn't have access to the Astronomicon, no more, no less. It did not move to Macragge and we don't even know if it will survive the Heresy. And that's something else to consider. The Pharos only illuminates a specific place. The Astronomicon actually calms the warp to some degree, making it safer to travel while also illuminating a decent portion of the galaxy, not just a specific place. Hmm. Idea for speculation. Kind of using jeremy's as a basis. What if the Astronomicon actually did let them notice us when it was first made. After all, the thing is bright enough to light up a whole galaxy. Then when the Ruinstorm blocked out the Astronomicon, the same thing that blocked it out, also served as a shutter of sorts. So when the Pharos shined its light from Sotha onto Macragge, even though it was infinitely smaller, it bounced off of the shutter and temporarily lighted a path for them to follow. And then when the Ruinstorm fell, they had their lighthouse to head towards. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283542-the-beacon-of-maccrage-and-sotha/#findComment-3526132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted November 19, 2013 Author Share Posted November 19, 2013 Personally that's what I'm thinking Kol more or less. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283542-the-beacon-of-maccrage-and-sotha/#findComment-3526151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Maybe. But the Astronimcon doesn't reach to the galaxy's edges. But with the vagaries of the warp the Hive Mind might have seen it. I personally see the Tyranids as one of the Old One's end games. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283542-the-beacon-of-maccrage-and-sotha/#findComment-3526180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Maybe. But the Astronimcon doesn't reach to the galaxy's edges. But with the vagaries of the warp the Hive Mind might have seen it. I personally see the Tyranids as one of the Old One's end games. We have no evidence that the Pharos does either. So far, the only thing we've ever seen it do is just make Macragge visible to those within the Ruinstorm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283542-the-beacon-of-maccrage-and-sotha/#findComment-3526183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Good point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283542-the-beacon-of-maccrage-and-sotha/#findComment-3526199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabadin Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Maybe. But the Astronimcon doesn't reach to the galaxy's edges. But with the vagaries of the warp the Hive Mind might have seen it. I personally see the Tyranids as one of the Old One's end games. We have no evidence that the Pharos does either. So far, the only thing we've ever seen it do is just make Macragge visible to those within the Ruinstorm. Except the Blood Angels see it from the Signus system. And it led them there brighter than the astronomican led to Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283542-the-beacon-of-maccrage-and-sotha/#findComment-3526200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Signus is in the Ultima Segmentum. Which is the Segmentum currently cut off from the Imperium. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283542-the-beacon-of-maccrage-and-sotha/#findComment-3526206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Maybe it was shut down because the builders realised what it was attracting towards the Milky Way. Ps I read the title as bacon of Maccrage. That is two titles that disappointed today Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283542-the-beacon-of-maccrage-and-sotha/#findComment-3526230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kais Klip Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 I'm throwing around the assumption that the tyranids only came across the warp once they assimilated enough of the galaxy's psyker genome, ie I'm putting forward psykers and the _knowledge_ of the warp is restricted to the Milky Way. With the Macragge Beacon being of more... conventional origin, it would tie in tightly were it ever know that the 'nids started towards the galaxy during the heresy timeline, or perhaps whenever the beacons were last used (intra-galactic space-time shenanigans). Edit: I'll bite the off topic bait and say I view the tyranids as a completely alien threat, alien to the Old Ones, alien to the galaxy at large. Both thematically and narrative wise, it's reassuring that there's still a chance empire politics, worship and krump quotas can be put to the side line when spacefaring species are reintroduced to the concept of the foodchain. I hold no remorse for that earlier pun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283542-the-beacon-of-maccrage-and-sotha/#findComment-3526244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 There is some VERY old fluff that had the Tyranids created by the Old Ones to fight an enemy they could not defeat a galaxy or two over, then with this enemy defeated the Tyranids turned on the Old Ones, and are now back-tracking along the Old Ones path to sate their insatiable hunger. That piece of fluff iirc is from the genesperm/ half Eldar Tigurius/ Sigmar was a missing Primarch era..... Cheers, Jono Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283542-the-beacon-of-maccrage-and-sotha/#findComment-3526258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabadin Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Signus is in the Ultima Segmentum. Which is the Segmentum currently cut off from the Imperium. Then we have another continuity fail ala Outcast Dead, as the Blood Angels weren't being impacted by the Ruinstorm when they left Signus Prime. Back on topic, if the beacon is what triggered the Nids, and what we've seen is really just a scout force, M49 is going to be a reaaallllly bad time for the galaxy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283542-the-beacon-of-maccrage-and-sotha/#findComment-3526261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Back on topic, if the beacon is what triggered the Nids, and what we've seen is really just a scout force, M49 is going to be a reaaallllly bad time for the galaxy. There was a really small tidbit in a 5th Ed. Codex (maybe rulebook?) That said the Munitorum needed to increase manpower by 500% to deal with the projected full force of the incoming Tyranids.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283542-the-beacon-of-maccrage-and-sotha/#findComment-3526274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Signus is in the Ultima Segmentum. Which is the Segmentum currently cut off from the Imperium. Then we have another continuity fail ala Outcast Dead, as the Blood Angels weren't being impacted by the Ruinstorm when they left Signus Prime. Back on topic, if the beacon is what triggered the Nids, and what we've seen is really just a scout force, M49 is going to be a reaaallllly bad time for the galaxy.Outcast Dead was also concurrent with Istvaan V. And yes, it would be a fail, but on James Swalow's part as Fear to Tread(which was printed after The Outcast Dead) has Signus starting before the Imperium is aware of the Heresy(but after Istvaan III) and "ending" after Betrayer. The events of the book even has the IX Legion being cut off from the rest of the Imperium. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283542-the-beacon-of-maccrage-and-sotha/#findComment-3526320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Signus is in the Ultima Segmentum. Which is the Segmentum currently cut off from the Imperium. Then we have another continuity fail ala Outcast Dead, as the Blood Angels weren't being impacted by the Ruinstorm when they left Signus Prime. Back on topic, if the beacon is what triggered the Nids, and what we've seen is really just a scout force, M49 is going to be a reaaallllly bad time for the galaxy.Outcast Dead was also concurrent with Istvaan V. And yes, it would be a fail, but on James Swalow's part as Fear to Tread(which was printed after The Outcast Dead) has Signus starting before the Imperium is aware of the Heresy(but after Istvaan III) and "ending" after Betrayer. The events of the book even has the IX Legion being cut off from the rest of the Imperium. I'm pretty sure the time dilation of the Signus system was explained or alluded to in Fear to Tread. No book to hand though, so if anyone has material that can refute that, I'd be happy to be wrong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283542-the-beacon-of-maccrage-and-sotha/#findComment-3526348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 It might be, I don't recall at this moment. Just that when it begins, Sanguinius still believes Horus is loyal. Which could be any decent amount of time between Istvaan III and V. When the novel ends, Erebus is getting his face cut off, which is after Betrayer, but before Vulkan Lives. IIRC, it was something like they perception of time within the Signus Cluster was sped up so two years happened while the rest of the universe went from the starting point of the Signus campaign to when Erebus ran away from Khârn one year after Istvaan V, which would also be after the Ruinstorm was completed. And then traveling from Signus to Macragge, they advanced to the third year of the Heresy, although I can't recall if they were still only at their third year or if they experienced the "full" two years that would pass from the Ruinstorm's birth to the events of Unremembered Empire. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283542-the-beacon-of-maccrage-and-sotha/#findComment-3526370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Angel Scout Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Signus suffers a warp blanket by the Slannesh daemon, uses all the bones from the local system for building the portal/church but it lessens once the daemon's gone and iirc, the BA know it's not the Astronomican. Macragge and whole of Ultramar are under the Ruinstorm, powered by the death of a star and no doubt further enhanced by Lorgar's "Ode to Angron". Bearing in mind the Pharos device uses the intention/empathy/desires of individuals and Guiliman's interaction with the device , he could've used it to contact one of his remaining brothers from his chosen few hence Sanguinius appearing, to meet what Guiliman wanted most. And I'm not so sure that the Pharos device will still be around in 40K...can't explain why exactly but have the feeling something "big" will happen and it is destroyed/damaged beyond repair or Horus sees it, sends in Alpha's.....rest is Heresy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283542-the-beacon-of-maccrage-and-sotha/#findComment-3526521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 It's probab;y because Sotha was one of the fall back points for the VIII Legion after Sheol and most of the remaining three-quarters are supposed to meet there. And since Massacre gives the strong impression that 120,000 isn't even the totality of their full numbers, well who knows how much three-quarters of the VIII Legion is going to number. Either way, it sounds like Night is about to fall on Sotha. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283542-the-beacon-of-maccrage-and-sotha/#findComment-3526541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosco Toppings Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Because that would be a funny coincidence if the Tyranids came to Maccrage first instead of directly getting to Terra, if it wasn't to devour and shut down the Pharos. I'd say they came for the Pharos in the first place, and then came back for the astronomicon. Except the Pharos isn't at Macragge. It's like a laser pointer. If you wiggle it around a bit it also attracts space cats :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283542-the-beacon-of-maccrage-and-sotha/#findComment-3526834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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