Some rules questions

[Spinsanity]

I'd have to say that yes, he is still part of the unit and thus scoring, since there is no further phase afterwards for him to once again become a unit of one model. Until then, he "is considered part of the unit for all rules and purposes"

 

+Edit : typo, damned iPad...

[Seahawk]

Just to do it all again.

1. Yes you get a Jink save. (p.38)

2. He can kill them all. (p.33, FAQ)

3. He uses his own, because the rule says "the rest of the unit," which grammatically doesn't include him. As for the followup, is he still scoring if the game ends there? Yes, he becomes a unit of one at the start of the next phase, which doesn't happen, meaning he's still a part of the Scoring Unit that died until then. (p.39, 64)

4. Yes, under Multiple Barrages. (p.34)

[Magpie]

The fact there's noone else left alive doesn't change a thing. He's still part of the unit, a unit composed one one model, which is not allowed to use that model's Ld when making a morale test.

 

He is not part of the "rest of" the unit. As I have said the IC themselves is still able to use their leadership for all things. 

Remember that this situation can also occur for a non-IC character in the unit who is undoubtedly part of the unit for all time however when that model has to test leadership he still uses his own.

[Disruptor_fe404]

Similarly, a lone Independent Character (or even just a Character, actually!) who doesn't accept a Challenge and loses will still use his own Leadership for the check when (predictably) losing that combat.

[hallodx]

Similarly, a lone Independent Character (or even just a Character, actually!) who doesn't accept a Challenge and loses will still use his own Leadership for the check when (predictably) losing that combat.

A lone character can't refuse a challenge.

[Disruptor_fe404]

Oh? Hmm... I suppose I've never been in that situation before... It's always lone Hive Tyrants challenging me, rather than the other way round (plus, he'd accept the way round).

[hallodx]

Oh? Hmm... I suppose I've never been in that situation before... It's always lone Hive Tyrants challenging me, rather than the other way round (plus, he'd accept the way round).

The rule stated because he can't hide himself from challenger, he must otherwise accept. 

I remember there's item in Iyanden let every Wraithguard in bearer's unit take challenge. That really ruined a demean or nid player's day.

[RastlinD]

Guys thanks so much for you answers, I guess I am confused on what should have happened in the combat. Let me explain how the combat looked and see if that will help drive the answers.

 

My charge consisted a bike unit consisting of 3 regular bikers and Kor'sarro Khan on his bike, his unit consisted of two broadsides and Cadre Fireblade. The charge put all models in base to base, Khan was touching the cadre and a Fireblade and a broadside. I challenged and he declined, we were still in base to base.

 

This is the point where my rules knowledge needs some clarification.... can I still direct attacks against a character who has refused a challenge if there are other eligible models to attack in base to base? 

 

Thanks again guys.

[Magpie]

Yes.

 

The only thing that happens to a character that refuses a challenge is that they cannot make their own attacks and they don't count as being the highest leadership in the unit.

All other abilities, traits and the refuser's own leadership still apply.

 

You don't actually direct attacks in close combat. The hits are made and the wounds are caused. The wounds are then allocated to units in B2B with models attacking at that Initiative step but if there is a choice as to who takes the wound, the "owner" of the model being wounded decides who it is.

 

This can be the character who refused the challenge.

[Raeven]

Precision strikes by your characters can be used to direct wounds to models that refuse challeneges.

 

Also, if you kill the rest of the unit and all that is left is the character who refuses combat, the rest of the wounds would be allocated to him.

[Magpie]

Refusing a challenge makes no difference to those things they apply all the time.

[Cactus]

Refusing a challenge makes no difference to those things they apply all the time.

 

Indeed, but it's sometimes worth reiterating which rules do apply in situation X as well as those that don't. If GW did that a little more often we'd have fewer circular arguments about which line of text overrides another.

[Magpie]

 

Refusing a challenge makes no difference to those things they apply all the time.

 

Indeed, but it's sometimes worth reiterating which rules do apply in situation X as well as those that don't. If GW did that a little more often we'd have fewer circular arguments about which line of text overrides another.

 

I don't agree. The less often a rule is stated the greater the clarity, the more words you add or the more you say something a different way the great scope of confusion.

 

This is something they've tried to do a bit in the current book, it's kinda worked IMO. More cross referencing would help.