New Codex Rumours - Yay or Nay?

[dropped my axe]

Another wish list, the wolf priest gets a price increase and gets special rules reflecting his chaplain/apothecary status like FNP

[Reichfaust]

Im excited for a new codex and hope that they decrease the cost of Bjorn because I love the idea of having him but hes just way to expensive.

 

Oh my god, in my ranting about the 5th-edition codex's case of Wolf-overload I totally forgot about Bjorn! Forgive me, fell-handed one! This is definitely one of my biggest hopes for a 6th edition 'dex. For 270pts plus Bjorn needs to be a whole lot better than he currently is... I still love him, but come on--you could kit out a Riptide for 270pts, or a Land Raider--Bjorn where he currently sits is just not worth the points.

 

Now personally, I'd rather see this done with a buff to Bjorn than a cost reduction. Make him into the ancient and venerable warrior he is meant to be. Here's what I'd give him for 270pts;

 

• Access to drop-pod--this has got to be mandatory, whether a buff or a points drop happens. Wouldn't be a huge issue if we got Stormravens but I don't see that happening.
• It Will Not Die!--It's been brought up in the past, and it makes a lot of sense. Plus when you consider Iron Hands can roll with a list of six Ironclad Dreadnoughts all with IWND, it doesn't even seem all that powerful.
• Four Hull Points -OR- 4++ Save-- He needs to be a lot hardier than any other Dreadnought, this is Bjorn for chrissakes! I would either want to boost his HP pool up to 4 or  preferably, up his Invulnerable save to 4++. In a world of 2+/3++/FNP T6 XV-104 Riptides (or, god forbid, the XV-107 R'varna and it's T7), or Sammael's Landspeeder with AV14 and a 4++, I don't think a 4++ save would be unbalanced in the least.
• A decent Warlord trait--whatever trait system we get, I just want Bjorn to get a good one, or be able to roll on the charts as normal. I don't want him to get stuck with the lame old "Warlord causes fear" or "Units within 12" can use his leadership" rules --I want Bjorn to have something unique and awesome, and if that doesn't happen, then at least let me continue to roll on the chart and try and grab Warlord is scoring unit, Warlord can Outflank, or whatever. I'd rather gamble for something cool than take a lackluster trait.

@ dropped my axe: I would also really like to see our Wolf Priests take on an Apothecarial role. I remember reading rumours about this when the 5E 'dex was coming out but it never came to fruition--Maybe this time we'll get lucky!

[Reede]

 

Im excited for a new codex and hope that they decrease the cost of Bjorn because I love the idea of having him but hes just way to expensive.

 

Oh my god, in my ranting about the 5th-edition codex's case of Wolf-overload I totally forgot about Bjorn! Forgive me, fell-handed one! This is definitely one of my biggest hopes for a 6th edition 'dex. For 270pts plus Bjorn needs to be a whole lot better than he currently is... I still love him, but come on--you could kit out a Riptide for 270pts, or a Land Raider--Bjorn where he currently sits is just not worth the points.

 

Now personally, I'd rather see this done with a buff to Bjorn than a cost reduction. Make him into the ancient and venerable warrior he is meant to be. Here's what I'd give him for 270pts;

 

• Access to drop-pod--this has got to be mandatory, whether a buff or a points drop happens. Wouldn't be a huge issue if we got Stormravens but I don't see that happening.
• It Will Not Die!--It's been brought up in the past, and it makes a lot of sense. Plus when you consider Iron Hands can roll with a list of six Ironclad Dreadnoughts all with IWND, it doesn't even seem all that powerful.
• Four Hull Points -OR- 4++ Save-- He needs to be a lot hardier than any other Dreadnought, this is Bjorn for chrissakes! I would either want to boost his HP pool up to 4 or  preferably, up his Invulnerable save to 4++. In a world of 2+/3++/FNP T6 XV-104 Riptides (or, god forbid, the XV-107 R'varna and it's T7), or Sammael's Landspeeder with AV14 and a 4++, I don't think a 4++ save would be unbalanced in the least.
• A decent Warlord trait--whatever trait system we get, I just want Bjorn to get a good one, or be able to roll on the charts as normal. I don't want him to get stuck with the lame old "Warlord causes fear" or "Units within 12" can use his leadership" rules --I want Bjorn to have something unique and awesome, and if that doesn't happen, then at least let me continue to roll on the chart and try and grab Warlord is scoring unit, Warlord can Outflank, or whatever. I'd rather gamble for something cool than take a lackluster trait.

@ dropped my axe: I would also really like to see our Wolf Priests take on an Apothecarial role. I remember reading rumours about this when the 5E 'dex was coming out but it never came to fruition--Maybe this time we'll get lucky!

 

Even that I don't feel is enough. He needs bumped to AV13 like the ironclad. One of the most venerable dreadnoughts in all of the Imperium and he's seriously still toting around AV12? Really? Especially with the fluff given him in Battle of the Fang where he talks about how so many Iron Priest have gone to crazy lengths to make his chassis just a piece of art and not one of them thought "Hmmm, maybe it should also be hard to blow up?" But yea, i'll definitely agree, he needs some really badass rules to equate what he is and a better invul ontop of armour I think would befit one of the most venerable dreadnoughts in the galaxy. Especially when his point cost makes your stomach drop when you see it

[Ishagu]

 

 

 

Im excited for a new codex and hope that they decrease the cost of Bjorn because I love the idea of having him but hes just way to expensive.

 

 

Oh my god, in my ranting about the 5th-edition codex's case of Wolf-overload I totally forgot about Bjorn! Forgive me, fell-handed one! This is definitely one of my biggest hopes for a 6th edition 'dex. For 270pts plus Bjorn needs to be a whole lot better than he currently is... I still love him, but come on--you could kit out a Riptide for 270pts, or a Land Raider--Bjorn where he currently sits is just not worth the points.

 

Now personally, I'd rather see this done with a buff to Bjorn than a cost reduction. Make him into the ancient and venerable warrior he is meant to be. Here's what I'd give him for 270pts;

 

• Access to drop-pod--this has got to be mandatory, whether a buff or a points drop happens. Wouldn't be a huge issue if we got Stormravens but I don't see that happening.
• It Will Not Die!--It's been brought up in the past, and it makes a lot of sense. Plus when you consider Iron Hands can roll with a list of six Ironclad Dreadnoughts all with IWND, it doesn't even seem all that powerful.
• Four Hull Points -OR- 4++ Save-- He needs to be a lot hardier than any other Dreadnought, this is Bjorn for chrissakes! I would either want to boost his HP pool up to 4 or  preferably, up his Invulnerable save to 4++. In a world of 2+/3++/FNP T6 XV-104 Riptides (or, god forbid, the XV-107 R'varna and it's T7), or Sammael's Landspeeder with AV14 and a 4++, I don't think a 4++ save would be unbalanced in the least.
• A decent Warlord trait--whatever trait system we get, I just want Bjorn to get a good one, or be able to roll on the charts as normal. I don't want him to get stuck with the lame old "Warlord causes fear" or "Units within 12" can use his leadership" rules --I want Bjorn to have something unique and awesome, and if that doesn't happen, then at least let me continue to roll on the chart and try and grab Warlord is scoring unit, Warlord can Outflank, or whatever. I'd rather gamble for something cool than take a lackluster trait.

@ dropped my axe: I would also really like to see our Wolf Priests take on an Apothecarial role. I remember reading rumours about this when the 5E 'dex was coming out but it never came to fruition--Maybe this time we'll get lucky!

 

Even that I don't feel is enough. He needs bumped to AV13 like the ironclad. One of the most venerable dreadnoughts in all of the Imperium and he's seriously still toting around AV12? Really? Especially with the fluff given him in Battle of the Fang where he talks about how so many Iron Priest have gone to crazy lengths to make his chassis just a piece of art and not one of them thought "Hmmm, maybe it should also be hard to blow up?" But yea, i'll definitely agree, he needs some really badass rules to equate what he is and a better invul ontop of armour I think would befit one of the most venerable dreadnoughts in the galaxy. Especially when his point cost makes your stomach drop when you see it

 

 

 

Im excited for a new codex and hope that they decrease the cost of Bjorn because I love the idea of having him but hes just way to expensive.

 

 

Oh my god, in my ranting about the 5th-edition codex's case of Wolf-overload I totally forgot about Bjorn! Forgive me, fell-handed one! This is definitely one of my biggest hopes for a 6th edition 'dex. For 270pts plus Bjorn needs to be a whole lot better than he currently is... I still love him, but come on--you could kit out a Riptide for 270pts, or a Land Raider--Bjorn where he currently sits is just not worth the points.

 

Now personally, I'd rather see this done with a buff to Bjorn than a cost reduction. Make him into the ancient and venerable warrior he is meant to be. Here's what I'd give him for 270pts;

 

• Access to drop-pod--this has got to be mandatory, whether a buff or a points drop happens. Wouldn't be a huge issue if we got Stormravens but I don't see that happening.
• It Will Not Die!--It's been brought up in the past, and it makes a lot of sense. Plus when you consider Iron Hands can roll with a list of six Ironclad Dreadnoughts all with IWND, it doesn't even seem all that powerful.
• Four Hull Points -OR- 4++ Save-- He needs to be a lot hardier than any other Dreadnought, this is Bjorn for chrissakes! I would either want to boost his HP pool up to 4 or  preferably, up his Invulnerable save to 4++. In a world of 2+/3++/FNP T6 XV-104 Riptides (or, god forbid, the XV-107 R'varna and it's T7), or Sammael's Landspeeder with AV14 and a 4++, I don't think a 4++ save would be unbalanced in the least.
• A decent Warlord trait--whatever trait system we get, I just want Bjorn to get a good one, or be able to roll on the charts as normal. I don't want him to get stuck with the lame old "Warlord causes fear" or "Units within 12" can use his leadership" rules --I want Bjorn to have something unique and awesome, and if that doesn't happen, then at least let me continue to roll on the chart and try and grab Warlord is scoring unit, Warlord can Outflank, or whatever. I'd rather gamble for something cool than take a lackluster trait.

@ dropped my axe: I would also really like to see our Wolf Priests take on an Apothecarial role. I remember reading rumours about this when the 5E 'dex was coming out but it never came to fruition--Maybe this time we'll get lucky!

 

Even that I don't feel is enough. He needs bumped to AV13 like the ironclad. One of the most venerable dreadnoughts in all of the Imperium and he's seriously still toting around AV12? Really? Especially with the fluff given him in Battle of the Fang where he talks about how so many Iron Priest have gone to crazy lengths to make his chassis just a piece of art and not one of them thought "Hmmm, maybe it should also be hard to blow up?" But yea, i'll definitely agree, he needs some really badass rules to equate what he is and a better invul ontop of armour I think would befit one of the most venerable dreadnoughts in the galaxy. Especially when his point cost makes your stomach drop when you see it

He should be av 13, 12, 10 with 4++ and It will not die. This dude fought alongside a primarch!

[Vlk]

Not just that - he thought AGAINST a primarch. And won. 

 

//with a little help, of course :D

[Ishagu]

Not just that - he thought AGAINST a primarch. And won.

//with a little help, of course

Spoiler! I just started reading the Horus Heresy series :-P

[Chief Captain Redd]

Not just that - he thought AGAINST a primarch. And won.

//with a little help, of course

Spoiler! I just started reading the Horus Heresy series :-P

It didn't happen during the Heresy.

[dropped my axe]

How about Bjorn gets eternal warrior as well! don't care he's a walker he is pretty much the embodiment of the rule

[Ishagu]

You know, that would actually be awesome. Give him 4 HPs and Eternal Warrior. It would make him one of the toughest mofos on the board, and that is exactly what he should be!

[dropped my axe]

When there's things out there like fate weaver I don't think it's asking to much considering how much you pay for him and one of his special rules just encourages your opponent to kill him even more so with first blood and slay the warlord!!!! Here is Bjorn the oldest and most venerable guy in the imperium..... Who just got killed by long strike with one shot.... *sigh*

[logun]

You know, that would actually be awesome. Give him 4 HPs and Eternal Warrior. It would make him one of the toughest mofos on the board, and that is exactly what he should be!

 

maybe some rule that works like the wave serpent sheild so he can down grade penetrating hits on a 2+

[dropped my axe]

And give him a large blast strength 10 plasma. Cannon that doesn't over heat!!!!...... Is that going to far??

[Reichfaust]

 

 

Even that I don't feel is enough. He needs bumped to AV13 like the ironclad. One of the most venerable dreadnoughts in all of the Imperium and he's seriously still toting around AV12? Really? Especially with the fluff given him in Battle of the Fang where he talks about how so many Iron Priest have gone to crazy lengths to make his chassis just a piece of art and not one of them thought "Hmmm, maybe it should also be hard to blow up?" But yea, i'll definitely agree, he needs some really badass rules to equate what he is and a better invul ontop of armour I think would befit one of the most venerable dreadnoughts in the galaxy. Especially when his point cost makes your stomach drop when you see it

 

Bjorn is already AV13--unless you mean AV13 on sides too? That would be more than reasonable, I mean hell, Sammael gets an AV14 Front/Side 4++ Landspeeder and he's not even a Chapter Master! 

 

And give him a large blast strength 10 plasma. Cannon that doesn't over heat!!!!...... Is that going to far??

 

A unique weapon like that would be really awesome, but I do like the fact that Bjorn is one of the few named characters pretty much any codex who actually gets a choice in his primary weapon; be it Assault Cannon, Lascannon or Plasma Cannon. I wouldn't want to see him lose that versatility--perhaps if he got the choice of multiple overpow--err, I mean, relic weapons :lol:

[Max_Dammit]

A large blast plasma cannon or a Precision strike assault cannon, 2 bjorn only relic weapons

[d@n]

im really not looking forward to the next space wolves codex. phil kellys is rather hit or miss when it comes to writing codices as he gets a theme in his head and tends to focus on that. luckily for use it was just adding the word wolf to the name of everything and the rules are still really good.

 

grey hunters, rune priest's and long fangs are all excellent wolf guard, lone wolves, wolf lords and thunder wolves , plus all the generic space marine stuff like vindicators and land speeders are pretty average. even these days, with our 5th edition codex, this gives us a diverse enough pool of units to play competitively.

 

I fear all our good units will get nerfed, and instead will get some silly new unit like a giant werewolf or wolfbots so gw can sell new kit.

 

I would like a supplement with some new rules for blood claw, a price drop and maybe some new rules for some special characters and flakk missiles and that's it.

[Zincite]

a giant werewolf or wolfbots

Hehe. I'm picturing a Lord of Skulls modified to have a wolf's head with little cyberpuppies tumbling around its tracks.

[Reede]

 

a giant werewolf or wolfbots

Hehe. I'm picturing a Lord of Skulls modified to have a wolf's head with little cyberpuppies tumbling around its tracks.

 

It's like you're trying to start another Space Wolves / Dark Angels feud.... xD

[MalachiOfRuss]

A large blast plasma cannon or a Precision strike assault cannon, 2 bjorn only relic weapons

 

As per the FAQ Bjorn is a Character, so his Assault Cannon does do Precision Strikes (as do his Close Combat attacks) on a 6.

 

If you can get him across the field, he's really good in Close Combat because at front armor 13, not even Krak Grenades can hurt him, plus he can make and accept Challenges.  Chaos Champtions, Emperor's Champion?  SPLAT!  AV13 with a 5++ is not bad in the current meta, but it does take a lot of turns to get him across the field on foot, so you'd need to have some other high-priority targets for your enemy to put their heavy weapons fire into, and with all the points he costs it tough to put other high priority targets on the field.  Hence why he tends to sit on the shelf.

[Zincite]

It's like you're trying to start another Space Wolves / Dark Angels feud.... xD

Cower, my lil' puppykins. Our codex arrived and it is glorious. Yours? Yours is already good. You have nowhere to go but down.

 

Although d@n's comment has got me quite curious as to what they'll release now. The Space Wolf kits are awesome. I think all your codex entries are covered. Characters are a given and some of C:SM's entries will probably open up - but that doesn't account for box sets. And as said, the Space Wolves don't currently have a large centerpiece kit.

 

Stormbudgie with wolf pelts on, maybe.

[d@n]

Yep. Gw dosnt release a new codex without at least 2 or 3 new kits. So a new dex is only going to bring ever more wolfy and ridiculous units

[Rift Blade]

Yup, GW's version of Air Wolf to knock down those pesky Nephalim fighters. Centurion Long Fangs to give us more firepower in little packs of hardened vets with jink nullifying targeters to blast those Black Knights out of the saddle & Centurion Wolf Guard with Special drop pods that let us assault on the deep strike. Two new kits. OK, one new kit and an old kit with an extra sprue or two, with the appropriate price increase because,,,well.. its GW. Oh yeah, & our monstrous creature thingy, the Wolfnaught. Four legged mayhem with guns.

[DanPesci]

- i want lone wolves left alone as they are my favourite unit by far

- make blood claws a viable option again in the face of grey hunter spam

- flakk missle option

- rune priest drop in points if psychic defence nerfed.

- Lower cost characters

 

pretty sure its all been said above.

 

oh, and really hoping they dont go down then 'stupid massive wolf'naught'/giant thunderwolf/flying wolf route...although the rumuor of the 'relic' tank could be interesting..as long as it isnt stupid huge.

[dropped my axe]

if it has a skyfire weapon to attached to it i will be happy with the relic tank

[DanPesci]

also, frost axes......need a reason to take them again. Would be good if they only halved your initiative rather than going to I1, but i cant see that happening. Maybe make them so they reroll/count as mastercrafted or such.

Either way there'll need to be seperate frost axe and frost sword rules...rather than just having 'frost blade' which is still leftover from 5ths power weapons all being ap2

[Leif-thunderstand]

Yeah DanPesci. Those frostweapons are actualy useless. Why take 1attack more when you could reroll any attack with a powerclaw? And using a powerclaw you can decide rerolling hits or wounds. A Frostweapon should be like a powerfist without that extrem slowing down initiative. May with a bit more costs of point of cause...