New Codex Rumours - Yay or Nay?

[MalachiOfRuss]

If SW do get a "centerpiece tank" it needs to be front AV 14 with 4 HP to really make a splash.  I wonder if GW really realizes what they've done with handing out so much S7+ shots to Tau and Eldar?

[DanPesci]

 

I wonder if GW really realizes what they've done with handing out so much S7+ shots to Tau and Eldar?

 

probably sold a crap load of tau and eldar models? :D

[d@n]

If SW do get a "centerpiece tank" it needs to be front AV 14 with 4 HP to really make a splash.  I wonder if GW really realizes what they've done with handing out so much S7+ shots to Tau and Eldar?

what gw has done is realized that customers will always buy space marine stuff regardless of how well it plays, and also theres band wagoner's who will buy, whatever army is most powerful. hence why all the new xeno's codices are over powered compared to what they have been in the past and built, almost specifically to destroy marines ( think elder d weapons battle focus or just about anything for the tau dex) its all about manipulating sales.

when 6th dropped, foot slogging list were the way to go, and people brought loads of troops. so they released the hell turkey. to compensate, people bought more transports.then they release codices with awesome greater demons, and knight class models that can destroy transports and 3+ armour with ease so players have to go for more armour 2 and these knight class models.then they bring grav weapons in the game ect.

[Ozeryk_Sleipnijr]

 

" Feet on the ground as Russ intended " Has to do with teleportation, and nothing else!!!!!! Please stop using this silly quote to justify any other limitation on mobility. Our primarch might have not liked teleportation, but our legion has used teleportation when needed. ( see Emperors Gift).

I would like to see improvements in the cost of equipment for the Wolfguard. Whats the use of being able to build a cool looking WG with a jump pack and wolf claws if he is then so overpriced that you regret building him. I hope we are able to keep our plasma loadout. Afterall the SW box has so many plasma guns in it.

 

 

" Feet on the ground as Russ intended " Has to do with teleportation, and nothing else!!!!!! Please stop using this silly quote to justify any other limitation on mobility. Our primarch might have not liked teleportation, but our legion has used teleportation when needed. ( see Emperors Gift).

I would like to see improvements in the cost of equipment for the Wolfguard. Whats the use of being able to build a cool looking WG with a jump pack and wolf claws if he is then so overpriced that you regret building him. I hope we are able to keep our plasma loadout. Afterall the SW box has so many plasma guns in it.

It's no how the fans interpret it, but how GW seems to these days.

Please give us an example where GW interprets this.

[d@n]

Simply every other army has a flier. Even older codices then ours have one. If we were to get one, it would of been, when orks got one and the 5th ed spacemarine codex got one. We didn't get access to a flier from death from the sky's. We didn't get one when gw gave use our second wave of models and there's no rumours suggesting that we Are going to get one. GW seems to have deliberately not given use on,e and considering they could of sold tons of storm talons or Storm Ravens . There must be a reason. 

[stinkenheim]

Ignoring the rules for space wolf pilots in death from the skies, obviously. Absolutely no indication that we will get a different flier from our codex brethren...

 

 

There may have been traces of sarcasm in that statement.

 

As for the 'older codexes' getting fliers, some were just fast skinmers that got changed (valk/vendetta) and others got added in later. It's not a conspiracy. Chances are we'll get our own one that'll be different enough from the C:SM ones to need its own box.

[dropped my axe]

in the meantime you can shell out for the storm wing....... kind of an expensive bandaid but still for those who already had storm talons painted up for thier wolves its not so bad

[d@n]

I hope we get one don't get me wrong.

6th edition was already written, years before it came out and that's why pretty much every other codex had a fast skimmer that was easily converted into a flier. Yes there's rules for sw in death from the skies but Imo gw was just covering there bases, incase they changed there mind and decided to allow sw to have fliers. they easily could of allowed use to take storm Ravens when death from the skies came out or stormtalon when they were released, but deliberately choice not to and there has to be a reason for that.

[MalachiOfRuss]

I hope we get one don't get me wrong.

6th edition was already written, years before it came out and that's why pretty much every other codex had a fast skimmer that was easily converted into a flier. Yes there's rules for sw in death from the skies but Imo gw was just covering there bases, incase they changed there mind and decided to allow sw to have fliers. they easily could of allowed use to take storm Ravens when death from the skies came out or stormtalon when they were released, but deliberately choice not to and there has to be a reason for that.

 

Reason: SW are going to get their own flyer, that is a new model, and it wasn't ready (or they just didn't want to) for release when Death from the Skies came out?  Dark Angels had no flyer when Death from the Skies came out - but they got a couple with their new codex.  Tau didn't get a new flyer when Death from the Skies came out, even though that model was almost certainly done by the time the book was released.  Ditto with the Heldrake.

 

I'm sure we'll get a unique SW flyer (probably two) when our book gets released.  "We're not getting one because they would have done it already" is not a persuasive reason for me.

[Gaius Atticus]

I wouldnt give SW fliers as it suits them. However they need a couple of good anti-air options, maybe flakk or the new Space Marine vehicles.

 

I reckon Wulfen will be a new box also.

[Cate]

I wouldnt give SW fliers as it suits them. However they need a couple of good anti-air options, maybe flakk or the new Space Marine vehicles.

 

I reckon Wulfen will be a new box also.

 

Hmmm?

 

Why wouldn't fliers suit SW? 

Just because of that tidbit in the codex, about Leman russ liked to fight with his feet on the ground? That is just stupid, and tactically unsound. Of course the wolves have fliers and it suits them fine. How else do they get to ground, drop podding is not always an option, and if that is the only option I want to get those land raider/predator/rhino/vindicator/bike pods, so we can deep strike the whole army. Thunderhawks, stormbirds and other fliers are part of the Wolf armoury as it is in every other chapter, they probably even have more than most chapters as a first founding chapter. I think the only way to interpenetrate that quote from the codex about fighting on the ground, is that wolves do think it is more honourable to fight on the ground than in the air, but if the enemy is a coward, zooming around in planes and whatnot, why shouldn't they? Are they that stupid that they stand around on the ground scratching their behinds and headbutting bombs and lascannons fired from far away in the air? No, they should both have fliers and anti-air stuff as everyone else. Forcing space wolves to ally IG, Inquisition or other SM is taking away the reason to collect an army.

 

And about the wulfen thing, seriously. The viking, team Jacob stitch is getting old and retarded. If wulfen are going to be an option, let them only be viable in a 13th comp codex, and make them only be viable in a true SW army, otherwise we are going to see insane combos like Inq+SW+Tau+Eldar+World eaters or some other shenanigans.    

 

I am more in the nay group, I would rather wait for an unrushed, well written codex. I don't want to see new characters with the name Lodbrock who rides around in Viking ships with wooden shields at the sides and a barrel of mead in the back as fuel. Or suddenly Space wolves get fat women with winged helmets who rides around on winged unicorns who farts rainbows and gives every unit in the army FNP 2+, or a specific character with a back-slick and runic tda, and his only reason to live is to party and dancing with shield maidens named Sookie and howling at the moon. Make the wolves more grown up, darker, moodier and more terrifying, than they are today, not just only fat bearded alcoholics, with a viking fetishism. Leave that to the fantasy dwarves.

 

/C 

[Leif-thunderstand]

I am with cate on that.

Dont misunderstand me, please. I love the viking theme. But don't want it to become to much.

On the other hand : flyers mak sense anyway!!! Vikings would have used em if thy had something comparing (thats why their ships are dragonstyled and mostly build for beeing fast) and on the other hand: we are SPACE wolfes. We travel in SPACE. Feet on ground is just about teleporting

[MalachiOfRuss]

The "vikings in space" motif was what got me into Space Wolves.  GW "prime" has lately been taking more queues from Black Library and "transplanting" the fluff from the books back into the codexes.  It wouldn't surprise me if the new codex has a lot of the themes and styles presented in Prospero Burns.

[Leif-thunderstand]

Of cause the vikingstuff makes the spacewolves what they are. Its maybe the most important reason i decided to the chapter. In my opinion the vikingtheme is not tu much right now, also the wolve stuff fits. But i dont want giant wolfs with runicfrostcanon on back instead of Landtaiders or something....

[Bloody Legionnaire]

Simply every other army has a flier. Even older codices then ours have one. If we were to get one, it would of been, when orks got one and the 5th ed spacemarine codex got one. We didn't get access to a flier from death from the sky's. We didn't get one when gw gave use our second wave of models and there's no rumours suggesting that we Are going to get one. GW seems to have deliberately not given use on,e and considering they could of sold tons of storm talons or Storm Ravens . There must be a reason. 

How about waiting for the codex to drop so that the rules for the Flyer are all in the Codex and not in some other document? If you want to continue on with frivolous conjecture, why have a Space Wolves Pilot mentioned in the 'Death From the Skies' with special rules for this Pilot without there being any plans for the Space Wolves to get a Flyer? 

 

Because SWs do have a Pilot in DFtS deduction points to...... Space Wolves getting a Flyer. 

[Leif-thunderstand]

Real good point with the pilot. But mybe there will be still fellas who think a pilot in death from the skies means to SW a drohnecontroler .... Cause he needs to fight with feet on ground .... Or do SW pilots take some ground with in the cockpit? ... ;-)