Danasdfgh58 Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Hey guys, Been toying with stormraven load outs and was wondering what you guys think. 1 ---- TL HB, TL AssC, Hurricane Bolters, Stormstrike missiles. Pros - 13 anti infantry shots a turn with blood strikes for med AV or flyers. Cons - poor anti flyer when invariably investing 230pts in a flyer means your going to want some 2 --- TL MM, TL LC, Stormstrike Missiles. Pros - excellent anti flyer and AV. Cons - Poor versatility. 3 --- TL MM, TL AssC, Hurricane Bolters, Stormstrike Missiles. Pros - Good anti flyer, AV, and infantry. Cons - Sacrifices efficiency for versatility. I have ignored the plasma cannon option as that can't shoot at flyers. Am leaning toward the MM, AssC and hurricane Bolter load out but wondering if it's versatility means it doesn't excel against any particular target? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283924-stormraven-load-out/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 I'd go with option 2. When I see a Stormraven, my first instinct is that it's geared to killed enemy fliers and FMCs. With this loadout, your targets get no armor saves and you're wounding most anything on 2's. As far busting armor, AP2 and AP1 help get those kills. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283924-stormraven-load-out/#findComment-3533366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azash Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Option 2 is actually what I run myself. Storm Ravens have the weapons load out options that can allow it to chew through other fliers, mc s, and even heavy armor. Adding the HB gives it versatility for infantry but at the end of the day its made to take out hard targets. If you want pure anti infantry in a flier the storm talon is your best bet point for point. Base load out its less than half the points so for 220 your putting out 14 TL anti infantry shots a turn compared to 13 shots your getting on your option 1 build. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283924-stormraven-load-out/#findComment-3533595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 I'm a Blood Angels player and my preferred choice is option three. My Stormraven is more than likely to get into 24" range and the choices complement each other well and allow me a decent PotMS option elsewhere. I am, however, still learning how to use it correctly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283924-stormraven-load-out/#findComment-3533700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excubitor Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Option 4: Magnetise! But yeah, option 2 is what I will be using most often when I get mine Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283924-stormraven-load-out/#findComment-3533721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axagoras Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Why do you want a lascannon over a assault cannon? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283924-stormraven-load-out/#findComment-3533775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepowerofwar Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 To me I take #2 if I am using SM or the BA variants. If I am using GK then #3 with psy bolt ammo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283924-stormraven-load-out/#findComment-3533800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 I believe that flyers can shoot at other flyers with blast and template weapons. It's ground units that can't, but only because such weapons can't be snap-fired, not because flyers are immune to blast/template weapons. Anyway... I hate to trot out that old saw, but - say it with me - it depends on what's in the rest of your list. Does your list struggle to take out armor? Lascannons and multimeltas. Do you need to improve your volume of fire (because, say, you're playing a heavily mechanized list and your tactical squads are hiding inside vehicles for most of the game)? Assault cannons, plasma cannons, and spring for the hurricane bolters. In my experience, there is rarely a "best" loadout for anything in this game... much less so, even for a vehicle with the mobility and versatility of a stormraven. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283924-stormraven-load-out/#findComment-3533852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axagoras Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Well paladin the problem is that the assault cannon is a better tank hunter then a lascannon. Only time a lascannon is better is to id a t4 character Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283924-stormraven-load-out/#findComment-3533992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 The rules for Flyers state right out that they cannot be hit by blast or template weapons, period. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283924-stormraven-load-out/#findComment-3533999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Well paladin the problem is that the assault cannon is a better tank hunter then a lascannon. Only time a lascannon is better is to id a t4 character I know that used to be the case in 5th, but I haven't looked at any updated mathhammer for 6th. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283924-stormraven-load-out/#findComment-3534186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danasdfgh58 Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 Mathammer is below. The Lascanon is slightly less likely to rip a hull point but almost twice as likely to outright destroy an enemy flyer Sounds like most people opt for the lascannon for that reason. Does anyone have any success adding hurricane Bolters to that load out? It can use PoTS to shoot different targets? AV 11 TL LC glance 14.81% TL LC pen 59.26% TL LC destroy 19.75% TL AssC glance 59.26% TL AssC pen 59.26% TL AssC destroy 9.88% AV 12 TL LC glance 14.81% TL LC pen 44.44% TL LC destroy 14.81% TL AssC glance 0% TL AssC pen 59.26% TL AssC destroy 9.88% Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283924-stormraven-load-out/#findComment-3534287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axagoras Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 You have the multi melta for 1 shot kills and the assault cannon help strim hullpoints if the mm doesnt 1 shot it but to each their own. And i would always take hurricane bolters so you can deal with infantry once fliers are done. A storm raven with hurricane bolters won a game for me blowing a dark eldar warrior squad off a objective on the final turnto get the win Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283924-stormraven-load-out/#findComment-3534343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greggles Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I find the lascannon is most useful for nailing a target which is NOT your primary target. Having it on the top turret with a 48 inch range, (and 180 degree field of view) really helps the flyer hit pretty much any threat on the board. I usually fire it last and save my POTMS for it's use. That's why i have the lascannon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283924-stormraven-load-out/#findComment-3534389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I figure I should chime in with how I use my stormraven. Usually, I do lascannon and multimelta, and it carries a tac squad and - sometimes - a furioso dreadnought. As a result, I'm not too concerned with volume of fire, because if I have to, my stormraven can hover and unload a flamer and eight rapid-firing boltguns within 3'' of their target. What I'm more concerned with is taking out immediate threats to the stormraven; that is, things that can pierce AV 12 and hit fliers. Since most of those things are either flyers or ground vehicles - infantry squads armed with flakk missiles notwithstanding because I already have plenty of things in my list that they can't withstand! - I went with an anti-armor loadout. So far, this has worked well for me. In my last game, for example, my stormraven entered the board and unloaded practically its entire payload into a wraithknight, bringing it down to a single wound. On the same turn, my vindicator blew the flakk-missile-equipped war walker to smithereens. Now that my opponent didn't have anything that could threaten my stormraven, it was free to continue to harass - and eventually kill - the wraithknight and drop the tacs onto objectives. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283924-stormraven-load-out/#findComment-3534406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axagoras Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 How did 1 lascannon shot 1 multimelta shot and 2stormstrike missiles do 5 wounds? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283924-stormraven-load-out/#findComment-3534416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Power of the Machine Spirit lets you shoot an additional weapon at full BS. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283924-stormraven-load-out/#findComment-3534417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepowerofwar Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Mathammer is below. The Lascanon is slightly less likely to rip a hull point but almost twice as likely to outright destroy an enemy flyer Sounds like most people opt for the lascannon for that reason. Does anyone have any success adding hurricane Bolters to that load out? It can use PoTS to shoot different targets? AV 11 TL LC glance 14.81% TL LC pen 59.26% TL LC destroy 19.75% TL AssC glance 59.26% TL AssC pen 59.26% TL AssC destroy 9.88% AV 12 TL LC glance 14.81% TL LC pen 44.44% TL LC destroy 14.81% TL AssC glance 0% TL AssC pen 59.26% TL AssC destroy 9.88% To me at least it looks like the TLLC is better by this. I always look at what would destroy AV more than trying to glance them to death, Because the thing I am hunting always seem to have AIWND( stupid hell chickens lol) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283924-stormraven-load-out/#findComment-3534428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandwen Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Whats is missed is the AV13 and AV14 glance/pen tables. I believe that the assualt cannon edges out the lazcannon there. It seems really sad to me, as there is no way the assualt cannon should be better, but, thems the rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283924-stormraven-load-out/#findComment-3534537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepowerofwar Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 AV 13 TL LC Glance 14.83% TL LC Pen 29.67% TL LC Destroy 9.89% TL AC Glance 19.78% TL AC Pen 39.56% TL AC Destroy 6.59% AV 14 TL LC Glance 14.83% TL LC Pen 14.83% TL LC Destroy 4.94% TL AC Glance 19.78% TL AC Pen 19.78% TL AC Destroy 3.29% To me the TL LC has a better chance to Destroy High AV, Or if you want to whittle the hull points off the TL AC can do that but has a lower chance to destroy the high AV target. I personally feel removing a threat is of greater importance than letting it run around while slowly killing it or having to shoot it with more units. But everyone has their own preferences . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283924-stormraven-load-out/#findComment-3534993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 What's really missing from this is removing wounds from MCs, just talking about pens and glances on vehicles is very 5th ed thinking. In fact I'd say that MCs are a much bigger problem than anything with an AV. On the other hand I don't think that chasing a sub %10 chance of destroyed is a worthwhile use for a gun. I fully agree though that pens are very desirable even if you have the means to whittle away hullpoints. There's no good result on the damage table. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283924-stormraven-load-out/#findComment-3535002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Templar 307th Comp. Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 In assessing the MM's strengths and weaknesses, how many flyers have Ceramite Plating? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283924-stormraven-load-out/#findComment-3535115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axagoras Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 JJust the storm raven, storm talon, and some of the fw loyalist ones have it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283924-stormraven-load-out/#findComment-3535119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Templar 307th Comp. Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Ok, then yeah, I'll throw my lot in with the rest and say option 2. Even if you hit against a flyer with Ceramite Plating, S8 is S8, and you can rain fire down on any AV 13+ you run across (Like Ironclads, who seem to be breeding like rabbits these days). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283924-stormraven-load-out/#findComment-3535122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yasarkasaba Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Power of the Machine Spirit lets you shoot an additional weapon at full BS. Am i getting it wrong or can i shoot both my TL MM, TL LC, 2 Stormstrike missiles (It counts 4 like that) and than make one more shot with any weapon i want? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283924-stormraven-load-out/#findComment-3536393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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