Durfast Spiritwolf Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Whoa whoa whoa. This no canon stuff has been shot down already no? I thought I had read that months (years?) ago. There plainly is canon in 40K. What's with this 40k nonsense? Welcome to 30k where apparently some Primarchs are being a bit naughty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283949-breaking-of-the-emperors-decrees/page/2/#findComment-3534191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 30k? What's that? It never existed. Any history prior to 'now' is the product of a fever dream of the Emperor. Who is actually one third of the personality of a Scottish mental patient (The other two are Bitterness and Intruder). The 40k universe never existed until the Emperor willed it into being a few years ago... (Massive Cookies to anyone who gets that reference!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283949-breaking-of-the-emperors-decrees/page/2/#findComment-3534493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Whoa whoa whoa. This no canon stuff has been shot down already no? I thought I had read that months (years?) ago. There plainly is canon in 40K. Scribe, is this what you were thinking about? http://www.boomtron.com/2011/03/grimdark-ii-loose-canon/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283949-breaking-of-the-emperors-decrees/page/2/#findComment-3535099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sully ad Bellum Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 No canon, period. Except for what has never changed, of course. (1) The only truth is that there is no truth. (2) Everything other than the this one truth is lies. (3) Unless it's true, in which case (1). Remember, Roboute Guilliman started out as a colonel in the Imperial Guard. Nothing is retconned. Nothing has ever been retconned. Nothing ever will be retconned. The Imperial Truth is all, and the Imperial Truth is constant. If you heard otherwise, you have heard wrong. If you believe otherwise, you are a heretic. Best. Fluff. Ever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283949-breaking-of-the-emperors-decrees/page/2/#findComment-3550324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 30k? What's that? It never existed. Any history prior to 'now' is the product of a fever dream of the Emperor. Who is actually one third of the personality of a Scottish mental patient (The other two are Bitterness and Intruder). The 40k universe never existed until the Emperor willed it into being a few years ago... (Massive Cookies to anyone who gets that reference!) 'Who' wouldn't get that reference ;) As most here are residing in the era of mankind's Great Crusade and subsequent civil war, 40k is yet to happen. Indeed it may not! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283949-breaking-of-the-emperors-decrees/page/2/#findComment-3552262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Blood Angels librarius wasn't officially reinstated really... also, Fear to Tread heavily implies that the Blood Angels have a total of 1 librarian remaining at the end of said book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283949-breaking-of-the-emperors-decrees/page/2/#findComment-3552316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Blood Angels librarius wasn't officially reinstated really... also, Fear to Tread heavily implies that the Blood Angels have a total of 1 librarian remaining at the end of said book. As long as its okay for that one Librarian to use his powers..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283949-breaking-of-the-emperors-decrees/page/2/#findComment-3552356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 which hasnt been covered yet... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283949-breaking-of-the-emperors-decrees/page/2/#findComment-3552418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Has he been censored? I don't have my copy of Fear to Tread eith me and I'd be lying if I said that I remembered all the particulars. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283949-breaking-of-the-emperors-decrees/page/2/#findComment-3552450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I think the point he is making is that the Librarians are not sanctioned, they act on their own volition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283949-breaking-of-the-emperors-decrees/page/2/#findComment-3552451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I think the point he is making is that the Librarians are not sanctioned, they act on their own volition.ah ok. Although I guess the point I'm making is "If you see someone doing something they shouldn't and you do nothing to stop them, you're still an accomplice." The Librarians might not be sanctioned, but as long Sanguinius makes no move to tel them no, then he is allowing them to break the Edict. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283949-breaking-of-the-emperors-decrees/page/2/#findComment-3552459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Which hasn't been covered yet, one way or another. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283949-breaking-of-the-emperors-decrees/page/2/#findComment-3552463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Fair enough. Like I said, I don't recall Fear to Tread that well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283949-breaking-of-the-emperors-decrees/page/2/#findComment-3552467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Neither do I, but I believe it ended before Sanguinius turned his attention to the Librarius, and Unremembered Empire didn't give anything on it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283949-breaking-of-the-emperors-decrees/page/2/#findComment-3552475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Yup, the last you see is the remaining librarian realising all the others are dead, we dont know what will happen beyond that (although I wont be surprised if the lone guy does get sanctioned on account of saving sanguinius ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283949-breaking-of-the-emperors-decrees/page/2/#findComment-3552662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 So, we can pretty much go Broken 1.)Word Bearers 2.)Alpha Legion 3.)Dark Angels 4.)Space Wolves 5.)Ultramarines 6.)Thousand Sons 7.)Imperial Fists 8.)World Eaters Hasn't Broken(Yet) 1.)Night Lords 2.)Sons of Horus 3.)Death Guard 4.)Salamanders 5.)Iron Hands 6.)Emperor's Children 7.)Iron Warriors Toeing the Line 1.)White Scars 2.)Blood Angels 3.)Raven Guard Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283949-breaking-of-the-emperors-decrees/page/2/#findComment-3552689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Doesnt the white scar openly use powers and still hold his rank? The raven guard and blood angels are both put back into the rank and file... id say the imperial fists and white scars are on par with eachother Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283949-breaking-of-the-emperors-decrees/page/2/#findComment-3552713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Doesnt the white scar openly use powers and still hold his rank? The raven guard and blood angels are both put back into the rank and file... id say the imperial fists and white scars are on par with eachother I don't know. I haven't read the Scars "bookisodes", but even before then, the Stormseers weren't put into the rank and file due to their other duties of office. That's why I put them, the Raven Guard and Blood Angels(both Legions had Librarians use powers in "necessary" situations but no dissolution of the Edict) in "Toeing the Line". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283949-breaking-of-the-emperors-decrees/page/2/#findComment-3552722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I don't know, storm seers and rune priests both have roles outside of just psychic powers, but rune priests broke the edict whilst storm seers didn't? Likewise, storm seers were sent back to chorgoris to essentially be 'out of sight, out of mind' whilst the fists hide their librarians in a locked room to likewise be 'out of sight out of mind' but the fists broke the edict and the scars didn't? Again I don't really see it... we know of a librarian in the raven guard that is tempted to use his powers, and it's heavily implied he did, but I'm also pretty sure that even he isn't quite sure what happened, and the librarius hasn't been reinstated, nor are there other scenes of librarians or ex librarians in action, so they are as likely to be in hasn't broken pile as toeing the line (Death guard for example, we know have had Typhon use powers, not in front of the primarch, but it's just one guy... right? Same deal for night lords thanks to everyones favourite guy... sevatar, whom does no more of an action than the blood angel librarians do (use psychic power to save their primarch) If anything old Sev does more as he's been heavily implied to use his abilities in combat too... which the blood angels and raven guard are not depicted as doing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283949-breaking-of-the-emperors-decrees/page/2/#findComment-3552737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 The order was to assimilate the Librarians back into their regular duty. The Imperial Fists and Space Wolves didn't. The Fists segregated them and locked them up. The Wolves ignored it because they thought their way was exempt. The White Scars did. Their Stormseers returned to their regular duties, which in their case was all of the other things Stormseers were responsible for. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283949-breaking-of-the-emperors-decrees/page/2/#findComment-3552796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 uhhh do we have definitive proof that the wolf priests didn't exist prior to the librarius program? do we have definitive proof that the storm seers did? I believe the answer to both of those is no... which means they are at least in the same boat. also, that wasn't the edict... Henceforth, it is my will that no legion will maintain a librarius department. All its warriors and instructors must be returned to the battle companies and never again employ any psychic powers looking at the above, the list would be as follows: Broken1.)Word Bearers2.)Alpha Legion3.)Dark Angels4.)Space Wolves5.)Ultramarines6.)Thousand Sons7.)Imperial Fists8.)World Eaters 9.)Blood Angels 10.) Raven Guard (assuming it wasn't the emperor) 11.) White Scars 12.) Night Lords 13.) Death Guard Hasn't Broken(Yet)1.)Sons of Horus2.)Salamanders3.)Iron Hands4.)Emperor's Children5.)Iron Warriorsedit. or if you want to argue semantics, I guess any of the above that never maintained a librarius in the first place... are exempt as the edict could be interpreted as being specific to the members of the old librarius departments (note that I don't agree with that stance, but I'm throwing it out there as I'm sure someone else will think it...) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283949-breaking-of-the-emperors-decrees/page/2/#findComment-3552803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 How exactly are you defining "returned to battle companies" and in which instances have the Death Guard and Night Lords dissolved the Edict? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283949-breaking-of-the-emperors-decrees/page/2/#findComment-3552813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted December 23, 2013 Author Share Posted December 23, 2013 I suppose you could argue sevatar going into Curze's head was a violation, or his powers although passive were always on in combat, that is massively straw clutching mind Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283949-breaking-of-the-emperors-decrees/page/2/#findComment-3552815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 if you assume the words 'never again employ any psychic powers' are the important bit, then both sevatar and typhon have used powers and thus broke the edict just as much as the raven guard at least. Returned to battle companies is vague enough that if the space wolves violated the edict, then the scars did too (both have spiritual advisers that apparently still use their powers). My list of breaking the edict is based on the assumption that a member of said legion using psychic powers would count as having broken it, which certainly appears to be the Emperors Will. edit. going into Curzes mind is most definitely NOT clutching at straws, as its the exact same thing that the group of blood angel librarians do to save Sanguinius - difference being that apparently Sevatar is about as good at such things as the entire blood angels librarius combined! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283949-breaking-of-the-emperors-decrees/page/2/#findComment-3552819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 The Scars and Wolves differ on the psychic powers bit. Both have non-Librarian specific roles, but while the White Scars restricted themselves to such in light of the Edict, the Wolves did no such thing. So no, it doesn't follow that if the Wolves broke it than the Scars did as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/283949-breaking-of-the-emperors-decrees/page/2/#findComment-3552829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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