Glimpse the Void Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Many moons it has been since last I sat before your wise counsel. I have been off wandering and hunting the frozen plains since before most recent edition of 40k, and upon my return to The Fang I've heard horrible stories of murderous turkeys that strike swiftly from the void, and black skies full of abominable necron crescent rolls... In short, I'm getting back into my space wolves and am pretty concerned about flyers. What have your experiences been like in friendly play? Has it been an issue? What do you do about it? I know there is an aegis defense line that everyone has access to, but it seems that would make your army pretty static (not to mention boring). What are the good options in our book for taking out flyers? Long fang spam? twin auto cannon dreads? Is it worth allying with another chapter for some flyers? Is this a good time to convert up some squats that count as something else as allies that are equipped to make flyers a non issue? I thank you in advance for your advice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284007-how-do-the-vlkra-fenryka-anti-air-these-days/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 With Stronghold Assault coming out, ADLs and Firestorm Redoubts seem like pretty good options. Outside of that, I mostly ignored flyers, taking occasional shots with my long fangs or a razorback ass cannon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284007-how-do-the-vlkra-fenryka-anti-air-these-days/#findComment-3535021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif-thunderstand Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I am with wulfbane on that. I dont play so often against flyers but if this hapened my longfangs always brought those nasty birds down. (there was only one game a flyer survived, but that doesn't metter that badly... My Longfangs stand it too) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284007-how-do-the-vlkra-fenryka-anti-air-these-days/#findComment-3535033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rift Blade Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Flyers in general don't seem to be that bad but Hell Turkeys can be real pain. As the others have said, ignore them unless I have nothing else to shoot at. On the bright side most can be brought down with massed bolter fire said Hell turkey & one or 2 others being the notable exceptions. ADL's seem popular & I use a Bastion with a Quad gun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284007-how-do-the-vlkra-fenryka-anti-air-these-days/#findComment-3535264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderhawk3015 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Long Fangs with an attached Div Rune Priest or my Raptors make an appearance with that new AA tank and a Storm Talon. I don't see many fliers aside from one guy who runs Elysians with all the flyers forever but aside from that I maybe see a Storm Raven or twin Storm Talons once in a while. There is a general distaste for the Hellturkey with the people I normally play with as its seen as a MAJOR crutch with the FAQ that put into the full idiotic mode so I've not seen any since the FAQ on it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284007-how-do-the-vlkra-fenryka-anti-air-these-days/#findComment-3535285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reichfaust Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Thanks to the power of Allies, we have as many ways of dealing with flyers as we have allies. A Vanilla Marine detachment with a Stormraven/Stormtalon combo can be pretty nasty, so too can their Stalker/Hunter AA tanks. Guard Vendetta squadrons or Hydra AA tanks are an are an option too, and failing allies altogether the ever popular Aegis Defence line is always available. Personally, I have a (40K approved!) Storm Eagle, and I haven't had any quarrels about it's inclusion in my lists... If someone with flyers in their list doesn't want to let me use it, thereby imbalancing the game, well then that's not someone I want to play. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284007-how-do-the-vlkra-fenryka-anti-air-these-days/#findComment-3535327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thornoo1 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Guard Vendetta squadrons have my vote, 2 of these in a squadron have been show to have great odds (above 1) of killing any 1 flyer in the game. Something like this: Company Command Squad - auto cannon Platton Command Squad - auto cannon 2 Squads - auto cannons - blob for survivability 2 Vendetta in a squadron Aegis defence line - no extras =530 pts Forms a great back field base of operations. Edit: Or Hyperios Air Defence Batteries - if you have a number of whirlwinds you can just demount the rockets and use these. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284007-how-do-the-vlkra-fenryka-anti-air-these-days/#findComment-3535372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sohail187 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 since i made my own hyperios defence platforms i can sit back and focus on what is happening on the table and not in the air. any points above 1500, i run a quad gun and 3 hyperios defence platforms. yesterday against a mate of mine they just did magic. He has a storm talon and a storm raven... SR arrived and died.... following turn ST arrived snap shots only then glanced it to death. I cannot stress how good hyperios platforms are. Just leave them on high ground so they have vision and u can sit back and relax. Now a quick tip!! if you play against guys who use flying MC's. Separate the platforms, so they are individual squads and not one. That way after each hit they must take a grounding test once they land long fangs pop in for tea and biscuits. 3 platforms cost 105 points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284007-how-do-the-vlkra-fenryka-anti-air-these-days/#findComment-3535452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Michael Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Fliers have just made me play more aggressively. I tend to play with objectives out front even in enemies deployment zone, and try to keep close to my enemies. If my opponent is a nerf hearding meta gamer and plays hellturkeys, I have been known to bring along an ADL with a quad or a lone wolf manning a Icarus. My best anti-air moment in the last year was against marines. Drop-podded in behind a ADL and my wolf priest shot down a stormraven with my opponents quad-gun! The look on his face was priceless... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284007-how-do-the-vlkra-fenryka-anti-air-these-days/#findComment-3535962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Personally, I use my (not-)Tau for that. Some Misslesides at the back can really put the hurt on someone. But here's an alternative take. Against non-Balechickens, you can just play normally, since most fliers will kill 3-4 at best in a shooting phase and need to navigate around the field to get shots of. If you are one of those guys who likes to run 2-3x 15 bloodclaws then most fliers shouldn't be an issue. As for Balechickens... either the AA above, allies, or aggressive positioning. If you play a drop pod list, you can be very close to your opponen and possibly deny the drake a vector strike and a juice flame attack. If you engage them in melee, then you will be quite save for the time being. But that's darn hard to pull of, I'd rather shoot them to kingdom come with space vikings operating large battle bots of the dark ages :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284007-how-do-the-vlkra-fenryka-anti-air-these-days/#findComment-3536294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddywarcrimes Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Give it a few days and GW Digital will have rules for the formation of a Stormraven and 2 Stormtalons that are in the Stormwing bundle, allowing you to pick up all the Air Superiority and Close Air Support that the VIth will ever need. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284007-how-do-the-vlkra-fenryka-anti-air-these-days/#findComment-3536525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 But Russ wanted us to fight with our feet on the ground.. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284007-how-do-the-vlkra-fenryka-anti-air-these-days/#findComment-3536695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif-thunderstand Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 And thats why i antiair with longfangs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284007-how-do-the-vlkra-fenryka-anti-air-these-days/#findComment-3537283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 since i made my own hyperios defence platforms i can sit back and focus on what is happening on the table and not in the air. any points above 1500, i run a quad gun and 3 hyperios defence platforms. yesterday against a mate of mine they just did magic. He has a storm talon and a storm raven... SR arrived and died.... following turn ST arrived snap shots only then glanced it to death. I cannot stress how good hyperios platforms are. Just leave them on high ground so they have vision and u can sit back and relax. Now a quick tip!! if you play against guys who use flying MC's. Separate the platforms, so they are individual squads and not one. That way after each hit they must take a grounding test once they land long fangs pop in for tea and biscuits. 3 platforms cost 105 points. Care to share? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284007-how-do-the-vlkra-fenryka-anti-air-these-days/#findComment-3537391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sohail187 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 I did post them on here a while back but here you go. Was the easiest conversion to do! and the cheapest. Each platform cost me £2.00 or just under. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281702-hyperios-defence-missile/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284007-how-do-the-vlkra-fenryka-anti-air-these-days/#findComment-3538079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderhawk3015 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Like the concept. May have to dig out my bitz and see if I still have all the typhoon racks from the ravenwing box. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284007-how-do-the-vlkra-fenryka-anti-air-these-days/#findComment-3538960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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