hummus Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Instead of trying to come up with new rules, what if we suggested a lower points cost What would be your suggestion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Ridcully Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 I'd drop the Rubrics down to 21 pts each, possibly 20, whereas the aspiring sorcerer would have to go down to 40pts at least just for the useless of the lore tzeentch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Aspiring sorcerers need to be given access to another psychic discipline. Rubric marines need to be a few points cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naryn Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Two points cheaper than Plague Marines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oreaper84 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 make the unit start at 125, i'd be fine with em then. You could bring a few as nice objective holders without breaking the bank. would but the sorc at +10 too which is where i think he should be with that garbage tz psy chart. Id take em at current price if our sorcs didn't HAVE to pick from the god lore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 You have to remember those sorcerers have force weapons included as well, and with a lesser version of them (power weapons) costing 15 points for a regular champ. A sorcerer is a 35 point upgrade to the squad at the moment, and imagine 15 of those is his force weapon, and the 20 is the psyker level...a 10 point discount as well as not limiting his power to tzeentch would be nice. The regular guys are not that bad though, and are just 1-2 points too much. What really hurts them is their indesicion about what to do though. They are tough, but also fragile, they have firepower, but also not. All depending on your opponent, they will be good or bad. For them to be able to take 2x Heavy bolters or something for extra firepower against the masses would be great... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Ridcully Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 or even the ability to overwatch, slow and purpesless does nothing but drag them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Well, that should be included in the sorcerer rules, as long as he is alive, they have relentless instead of SnP... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oreaper84 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Well, that should be included in the sorcerer rules, as long as he is alive, they have relentless instead of SnP... This i singularly the best adaptation of 5th ed, id love to see this applied either faq or in a TS suppliment. It singularly would make TS a viable unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Well, that should be included in the sorcerer rules, as long as he is alive, they have relentless instead of SnP... This i singularly the best adaptation of 5th ed, id love to see this applied either faq or in a TS suppliment. It singularly would make TS a viable unit. Funnily enough, one of the greatest times I've had playing my TS was in the early 6th ed, before the chaos codex hit. Aspiring sorcerers with mastery 2 and telepathy! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Ridcully Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Well, that should be included in the sorcerer rules, as long as he is alive, they have relentless instead of SnP... This i singularly the best adaptation of 5th ed, id love to see this applied either faq or in a TS suppliment. It singularly would make TS a viable unit. Funnily enough, one of the greatest times I've had playing my TS was in the early 6th ed, before the chaos codex hit. Aspiring sorcerers with mastery 2 and telepathy! Oh god those were good days, aspiring sorcerers were actually usefull, they were actually pykers rather then a piss poor special weapon dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Within Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I think it would be impossible to make them work in their current incarnation, whatever price you put on them they still won't be good (alright alright making them the cost of a marine would be stupidly good) but still, they'd still be bad at representing a Rubric Marines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 I still think 2W and Daemon of Tzeentch instead of the current rules would be nice. Would make them resilient in a whole different way than Plague marines, but still similar. ...and definitely more fluffy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethrion Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Honestly I don't think they need to be cheaper because ultimately they are AP3 4++ marines with a force weapon on the sergeant that have VotLW as standard. What needs to be added to make the cost make more sense is an extra mastery level available to the aspiring sorcerer thereby allowing him to make full use of tzeentch or take a second power from another discipline, he should get a spell familiar that allows re-rolled perils (not just failed) tests and as someone said the sorcerer while alive makes them relentless, if the sorcerer is dead the rubrics return to slow and purposeful. If all that was included in the cost now then they'd work. I mean they are still damn good now, don't get me wrong, but they could fit a little better with those changes IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 ^^ So they do need to be cheaper? :P Or have additional rules added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethrion Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 ^^ So they do need to be cheaper? Or have additional rules added. Nah cos ultimately they still have pretty damn good rules. They shouldn't be cheaper but more realistically have an extra thing thrown in possibly haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narse Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Just turn them into Grey Knight Strike Squads and i'd be happy. Doesn't make too much sense but its what i'd want. S5 Assault 2 24" range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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