Nusquam Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 I wanted to know what other people have encountered as far as the level of count-as and what they deem acceptable. I know for the most part it is a matter of how appropriate/similar it is to the actual model, but I wanted to know peoples personal experiences that stood out and really cool ideas they have done/seen. Especially in non-GW tournaments. My reason for wanting to know is that I am moving to Florida in the next few months and i want to manage my expectations for LGS tournaments. I come from a FLGS that allows you to to use just about anything so long as it is similar in size, appearance and has the correct base. For example when there was no model for the Night Scythe I converted a Cylon Raider model and painted it all Necron-esque. Obviously since the model didn't exist then I had extra leeway, but when it came out it was still accepted by the TO(The players too) for being so close and Necron themed. But I want to push the boundaries even more. Mostly my skill at modeling and painting, and that the units I want to use I don't like the model for/found a much cooler alternative. I am in the hobby for the modeling/painting part primarily but I enjoy tournaments because I get to meet new people and play against a variety of armies in a day. So here's what I want to do: I already checked the scale/size for the following, they are extremely close. Shadowsword - YMT-05 Hildolfr http://gundamcentury.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/gundam-century-hildolfr-reassembled.jpg Riptide - Kotobukiya Ambient Armored Core Model Kit http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61aq71G6UHL._SL1500_.jpg Broadsides - D-Style Armored Core Models D-Style (The following pic is just an example) http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/814g6kdLRnL._SL1500_.jpg Now, I am totally getting the big ones because I want to paint them so bad, but it's the little guys I'm hung up on. I know the store I'm at now it would be fine, but what about stores from other peoples experience? I'm going for a theme, if you couldn't tell haha, so I think that would help the case. Or am I just thinking too much? If so then just treat this as a general cool count-as alternative thread. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284368-count-as-limitationswhats-accepted-at-your-tourny/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
IamJacksUserName Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 I couldn't speak for any type of official tournaments rulings, but I would play against any one who puts appropriate themed models that look awesome on the table. I don't even care so much about base or model size. All those above models are what I would consider appropriately themed models. I just don't want to ever play against a soda can carnifex ever again. What part of Florida are you moving to? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284368-count-as-limitationswhats-accepted-at-your-tourny/#findComment-3542212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuchinawa Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Okay you're going to get hit with ___% must be GW or else it can't be used WYSIWYG must be upheld to the upmost degree etc. Okay if it was me everything you have would be a-ok with me. I had a friend use a green plate as a monolith before so I'm pretty flexable for counts as. But be prepared for rejection. Just because it isn't GW will limit it in some place, but a lot of people will be okay with. If you wanna have the best chance possible of a pick up game being okay with it, bring a note card with all the armaments you want it to have on it. Then place the card next to the model. So there is no question what it is and what it's armed with. Remind your opponent occasionally of what it's armed with. If you do this will cut down the "You never told me it had /that/ gun, this is why I never allow proxies!" Even if you don't mean too, and it's stated in your army list, people might for get what it's equip with and some will point blame of you using a non standard model to confuse them. btw I love the "not" riptide. Really cool model Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284368-count-as-limitationswhats-accepted-at-your-tourny/#findComment-3542214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argun Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Oh... that tank... as an IG guy who owns a shadowsword, that "not-a-shadowsword" is beautiful! All I'd suggest doing to it, would to definitely add in sponsons (unless you like running it w/out lascannons) and lots of Imperial icons and whatnot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284368-count-as-limitationswhats-accepted-at-your-tourny/#findComment-3542226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nusquam Posted December 10, 2013 Author Share Posted December 10, 2013 Thanks for the input guys. "Coke Can Carnifex" sounds like a Imperial propaganda poster to me for some reason haha. For the Hildolfr I'm thinking of using magnets for the optional sponsons and putting a big aquila on the front "deck" with the words "IN THE NAME OF THE EMPEROR, LET NONE SURVIVE" underneath in stencil and writing imperial quotes along the side hull like "NO VICTORY CAN BE WON WITH THE WEAKEST GUNS" and similar from the top and bottom of some pages in the BRB. Possibly exaggerating the rivets as well. For the "X% Must be GW" events I'll just field something else if I really want to go. I have no idea what the scene is for the pan handle part of FL(to indirectly answer one of the questions ha). If there are frequent players I'm not too worried, I can always scope it out and recon the "temperament" of the places/ask around, but if they only really assemble for tournies... I would be concerned about getting my fix in for fielding these models ha. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284368-count-as-limitationswhats-accepted-at-your-tourny/#findComment-3542284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Any tournie I've played at or observed has had, bare minimum, the requirement (and expectation) that your mmodels are consistent and easy to recognize or at least be differentiated from other models in your army. If all of your space marines are blue with boltguns, and there's one marine that's blue with a red helmet, and he's the only one, and you say "That's my Captain and all other marines are Tacticals", well, he's your captain and they are tacs, which tells everybody at a glance what their wargear and statlines are and that they have no upgrades. That means he comes with all the Wargear and the stat line. At that point you are legal. People will be more receptive if you put more love into your models than that. Model upgrades as best you can. (Some upgrades don't have any official GW pieces or parts to represent them, so at times you need to get creative.) Paint squad markings or numerals on them so one unit is easy to tell from another. Washes and highlights are easy and go a long way to making your models look good (and like you care). Insofar as the whole "% GW" thing, that was a throwback to Games Workshop funded/backed tournaments, which I don't think happen anymore? Certainly not around me, but maybe at what few brick'n'mortar GW stores remain. I've only gamed at private events and FLGSs and only had positive experiences with the judges and staff. Anybody enforcing the % GW plastic rule at an LGS is either just old-fashioned or frustrated at not being able to sell more GW product. All that said, just clear it ahead of time. Play some friendly non-tounie games first at each LGS and find out what they're cool with. If you get a lot of pushback during a friendly game when you field your counts-as, well, you probably can't use your non-standard models in a tournament there. Meanwhile, people like me will let you proxy a soda bottle for a drop pod, and I'm certainly not the only one. Good luck with your move. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284368-count-as-limitationswhats-accepted-at-your-tourny/#findComment-3542308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I'm in the boat where in a tournament setting if GW hasn't released model for it then make your own (not including FW stuff) so let's say player Z wants to bring the doom of malantai in a spore that's fine as long as he identifies the zoanthrope with extra gribbliness on his head in the tyranidised giant plastic egg is the doom then that's fine. But if someone wants to use a war jack from the war machine game as a venerable dreadnought I'm not fine with that a model exists use it! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284368-count-as-limitationswhats-accepted-at-your-tourny/#findComment-3545396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molokai Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 There's always a GW fanboy somewhere unfortunately. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284368-count-as-limitationswhats-accepted-at-your-tourny/#findComment-3545431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nusquam Posted December 13, 2013 Author Share Posted December 13, 2013 What if the existing model is old? Or just plain ugly? Or I find one I like better? A warjack is a perfect example. What if Player Z likes 40k but hates the dreads model but really likes the rules and fluff so he chooses an alternative. Or like my cylon night scythe. I made that pre model existence, but the model now exists. There's a line between what's an acceptable alternative for game mechanics, sure, but at the end of the day its still a modeling hobby just as much as a game. If not, more so. Edit: Warhounds are now included in Escalation. I'm getting a Metal Gear Rex model for one. Yep. That's happening. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284368-count-as-limitationswhats-accepted-at-your-tourny/#findComment-3545501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molokai Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 I reckon go for it Nusquam. The models you've shown above look choice, and I can tell you'd have a high aesthetic standard. More power to you. Having a unique army is something the majority of us strive for. You're taking it one step further which shows creativity and lateral thinking. It's your hobby mate, enjoy it! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284368-count-as-limitationswhats-accepted-at-your-tourny/#findComment-3546091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molokai Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Out of curiosity Nusquam what scale Rex is it? 1/100 or 1/48? Cheers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284368-count-as-limitationswhats-accepted-at-your-tourny/#findComment-3546732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snickers Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 When I play as long as the base size and model are correct and you have a copy of the rules it`s good to go. I have a huge collection of marines and some xenos, and I have played everything from the Ork Green Tide too Imperial Guard Gunlines. If its a tournament setting though I always will check with the TO`s before hand about any converted or counts as model. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284368-count-as-limitationswhats-accepted-at-your-tourny/#findComment-3546909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nusquam Posted December 15, 2013 Author Share Posted December 15, 2013 Out of curiosity Nusquam what scale Rex is it? 1/100 or 1/48? Cheers It's 1/100 and ~8.5" in the normal pose (offline/idling) Also I'm thinking of fluffing Rex as a "new" Kiavahr-Pattern Titan, like the Mars-Pattern naming convention. So it was developed on Kiavahr, the forge-world the Raven Guard fortress monastery orbits. So I'm going to paint it black and have Raven symbolism on it. Same with the Armored Core models. I've been using an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor lately so I'm going to fluff the "Riptides" as Kiavahr-Pattern Mechanicus Automa with stolen Tau tech. Edit: I just finished assembly of the main body oh man I'm excited to start painting it. Making a thread in WIPs soon. Here it be: LINK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284368-count-as-limitationswhats-accepted-at-your-tourny/#findComment-3546988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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