AKA_Tattoo Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Did the III legion have librarians? I think I had read something about the III not having them because the psyker is a mutation, and thus imperfect. I don't want to include librarians in my crusade era lists if the fluff contraindicates their existence. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284502-emperors-children-librarians/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 If I recall correctly you are right. The III legion considered psykers to be imperfect and therefore had none. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284502-emperors-children-librarians/#findComment-3545531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I can't say I recall anything in the fluff that mentions that, but that does strike me as the Children's mindset. However, if you are set on a Librarian, what you could do is something like Sevatar where it is someone with "Luck", someone who subconsciously uses their powers in a way that most bystanders think nothing of it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284502-emperors-children-librarians/#findComment-3545541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpiousSmart Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Yep, don't have the book to hand but in betrayal (and somewhere earlier?) it states they had no librarians due to considering it an imperfection. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284502-emperors-children-librarians/#findComment-3545590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddywarcrimes Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 The Emperor's Children were a weird case on the Librarian issue. Fulgrim was proponent of them existing among the Astartes, but didn't want them in his legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284502-emperors-children-librarians/#findComment-3545609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karthak Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 The Emperor's Children were a weird case on the Librarian issue. Fulgrim was proponent of them existing among the Astartes, but didn't want them in his legion. Kind of bit him on the arse, there. If he'd had librarians I doubt the Laer blade would have had time to corrupt him before a Librarian (or ex-librarian, since I think he got the blade after Nikaea) got an itchy feeling in its presence. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284502-emperors-children-librarians/#findComment-3545661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddywarcrimes Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 He'd have to have gotten the blade post-Nikaea. If he'd brought it to the council, it would surely have been detected by Malcador, or Magnus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284502-emperors-children-librarians/#findComment-3545723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Would this be the same Nikea that had Sisters of Silence there to dull the psykers' minds? Such a thing as daemon in a sword exerting no more presence than a whisper here or there might escape unnoticed. After all, in a face to face conversation with Eldrad, it wasn't even noticed until it was drawn from the sheath. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284502-emperors-children-librarians/#findComment-3545752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddywarcrimes Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Then again, the realistic cardboard cutout of Amon showed up at Nikaea, too. I guess it's not so farfetched that something could have slipped by. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284502-emperors-children-librarians/#findComment-3545764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Personally, things like that is why I've developed the personal opinion that Pariahs do exist in the warp, but that they're like the eye of their own personal storm. The warpspace around them is just so turbulent that it is hard for them to be touched by the warp. But every now and then, something is able to survive the storm. And a daemon catching a ride in a material object would have a better chance than most. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284502-emperors-children-librarians/#findComment-3545771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKA_Tattoo Posted December 14, 2013 Author Share Posted December 14, 2013 Well I've taken a look through Betrayal and Massacre and can't find any mention of librarians one way or another, and I was SURE it was in there. Anyone have a reference? I have finished my librarian model but I won't use him if there is a fluff citation that says no psykers, it would just feel wrong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284502-emperors-children-librarians/#findComment-3546128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dono1979 Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Only reference I have seen was on Lexicanum: The Legion strove for perfection in all their endeavours, and worked continuously to perfect their military operations. Each and every Space Marine trained almost ceaselessly for his assigned task, whether it be foot soldier, driver, gunner, scout or sniper. The Legion employed no Librarians, as the genetic mutation that allowed a psyker to access the warp was considered a flaw, a nothing considered a flaw would be allowed in the Legion.[7] 7: The Reflection Crack'd by Graham McNeill – The Primarchs (Anthology): Chapter Twelve, p. 86 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284502-emperors-children-librarians/#findComment-3546136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nephilim Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 A similar reference is made in Angel Exterminatus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284502-emperors-children-librarians/#findComment-3546145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKA_Tattoo Posted December 14, 2013 Author Share Posted December 14, 2013 Thank you VERY much, I knew I had read it somewhere :) So the librarian shall now be banished, and never again see the light of day. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284502-emperors-children-librarians/#findComment-3546153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nephilim Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Which is unfortunate. EC librarians have awesome potential if they were more supported in the literature. We really don't see them have psykers until after the Heresy, and most of them are sorcerers at that point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284502-emperors-children-librarians/#findComment-3546158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumah Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 I find this curious and not a little bit silly... Before they fell, the EC strove to emulate the Emperor's perfection. They should have lauded Librarians for being closer to the Big Man's perfect nature! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284502-emperors-children-librarians/#findComment-3546329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 I'm tempting to have a mastery level 1 librarian with psychic shriek, just to one up Eidolon. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284502-emperors-children-librarians/#findComment-3546401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Would a pre-Fulgrim EC Librarian work? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284502-emperors-children-librarians/#findComment-3546442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanct Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 What did they do with those who showed psychic potential? Were they executed? Put into stasis? Co-oped for things like scouting the Phall campaign? Did they suppress their powers like sevetar and typhon? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284502-emperors-children-librarians/#findComment-3546444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 What did they do with those who showed psychic potential? Were they executed? Put into stasis? Co-oped for things like scouting the Phall campaign? Did they suppress their powers like sevetar and typhon? probably suppression. Although since Lord Commanders were known to commit seppuku every know and then, I wouldn't rule out some form of ritual suicide. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284502-emperors-children-librarians/#findComment-3546451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 What did they do with those who showed psychic potential? Were they executed? Put into stasis? Co-oped for things like scouting the Phall campaign? Did they suppress their powers like sevetar and typhon? probably suppression. Although since Lord Commanders were known to commit seppuku every know and then, I wouldn't rule out some form of ritual suicide. I've missed this bit of fluff. Where can I find lout about lord commanders offing themselves because they hadn't polished their armour just right, or couldn't plait Fulgrim's hair in the correct way to make him look fabulous. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284502-emperors-children-librarians/#findComment-3546476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Betrayal. And not for reasons that petty. It's actually was only if they had failed a campaign, and the fault was determined to be with their command. So Eidolon? Yeah, he was supposed to off himself. Then again, this tradition was probably towards the beginning of Fulgrim's command, not the end of it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284502-emperors-children-librarians/#findComment-3546479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddywarcrimes Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 My guess would have been that any aspirant who showed traces of psychic ability would be dismissed and sent to the Black Ships to be turned into an Astropath. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284502-emperors-children-librarians/#findComment-3546484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Aye, their recruitment probably singles them out and prohibits their further inclusion into the Legion. For those who don't reveal their psyker talents until later probably repress their abilities like has already been mentioned. I'd be interested to know what the Legion does to those who are unable to hide such talents. The aforementioned suicides is an intriguing aspect of the Legion that might also apply to psykers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284502-emperors-children-librarians/#findComment-3546507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 I can't say I recall anything in the fluff that mentions that, but that does strike me as the Children's mindset. However, if you are set on a Librarian, what you could do is something like Sevatar where it is someone with "Luck", someone who subconsciously uses their powers in a way that most bystanders think nothing of it. Yeh, a repressed psyker like..... Tarvitz? He seemed to have a "edge" when it counted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284502-emperors-children-librarians/#findComment-3546509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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