Gideon999 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Hey guys, Quick question that came up in a game a couple fo days ago, and I can't seem to find 100% anything that addresses this particular issue. My opponent was firing a thunderfire cannon, and the first blast scattered off the table. My expectation is that if the 1st shot is off the table, the entire volley is lost. He maintained that he had 3 more shots, and should be allowed to scatter the rest of the shots to see if they would "walk" back onto the table. So in the interest of sportsmanship (we were just playing casually and there was beer involved) I allowed him to walk it with the scatter die and he did get the blast back onto the table and killed my speeder (which was the intended target and worth a VP since we were playing the scouring). So can anyone confirm which way is correct? I dont mind either way for that game, it was a fun match up but just curious for future battles. Cheers! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284605-multiple-barrage-scattering-off-the-table/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Since the first one went off the table, it's discarded. The rest cannot be placed next to a template that doesn't exist. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284605-multiple-barrage-scattering-off-the-table/#findComment-3547636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideon999 Posted December 16, 2013 Author Share Posted December 16, 2013 Thats what I thought, but can anyone show me where in the rules or FAQ that is states this? I'd like to be able to back that up with a reference. Thanks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284605-multiple-barrage-scattering-off-the-table/#findComment-3547649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 The Multiple Barrage rules on page 34 state that all subsequent barrages must be placed with the markers touching the first marker. The rules for scattering blasts say: If the shot scatters so that the hole in the centre of the marker is beyond the table's edge, the shot is a complete miss and is discarded. As Seahawk has already said, if the first shot is discarded then the second and subsequent shots cannot be placed as they must be touching something that is not on the table. It's down to your opponent to prove that he can do what he suggested, not the other way round. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284605-multiple-barrage-scattering-off-the-table/#findComment-3547651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ming Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Is this not a trick question? I don't have the codex in front of me so pardons... The Thunderfire is not multiple barrage (check this)...if not you fire each template and scatter them individually...you are multiple barrage if it is in the codex, which is different from plain X barrage (small blast) templates. Just wondering. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284605-multiple-barrage-scattering-off-the-table/#findComment-3547681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Is this not a trick question? I don't have the codex in front of me so pardons... The Thunderfire is not multiple barrage (check this)...if not you fire each template and scatter them individually...you are multiple barrage if it is in the codex, which is different from plain X barrage (small blast) templates. Just wondering. The rules for multiple barrages apply whenever a unit fires more than one shot with the Barrage special rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284605-multiple-barrage-scattering-off-the-table/#findComment-3547685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ming Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I think locally we've seen people firing (4) blast markers (just like it was a 4 ML dev squad), resolving each separately, in part because (maybe) the rule for the model does not include wording for multiple barrage. I think I'll have to look at that later this evening in my librarium... And don't get me started on whether an indirect barrage can fire more than 36 inches at night.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284605-multiple-barrage-scattering-off-the-table/#findComment-3547687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 The rules are on page 34 if you want to take a look but with regard to multiple barrages they are exactly as written above, ie, if a unit fires more than one shot with the Barrage special rule. And no, you cannot fire an indirect barrage more than 36" under night fight rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284605-multiple-barrage-scattering-off-the-table/#findComment-3547689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jostal Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 So a barrage 3 weapon shoots one shot at a time until it misses? If the first shot misses, the subsequent shots are lost? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284605-multiple-barrage-scattering-off-the-table/#findComment-3547811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 So a barrage 3 weapon shoots one shot at a time until it misses? If the first shot misses, the subsequent shots are lost? Yes, except there isnt a miss, unless it goes off the table. You can place a template in the middle of nowhere after scatter, and then barrage your way a disk at a time until you start hitting things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284605-multiple-barrage-scattering-off-the-table/#findComment-3547843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysere Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 The confusion about the Thunderfire probably stems from the fact that in the previous marine codex it wasn't a barrage weapon so each blast scattered seperately. Since it has the barrage rule now you simply fire the first shot, and the remaining three shots then scatter off the central one as per multiple barrage. (ie. no distance dice, just directional scatter) First one scatters entirely off the table, tough luck. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284605-multiple-barrage-scattering-off-the-table/#findComment-3547860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideon999 Posted December 16, 2013 Author Share Posted December 16, 2013 Yeah, they changed the rules on the thundefire cannon in the 6th ed codex. It used to be 4 individual blasts, now its a barrage. Thanks for all the help guys! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284605-multiple-barrage-scattering-off-the-table/#findComment-3547861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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