Conn Eremon Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I don't recall saying I was being serious. Pretty sure I said a comparison of two incredibly dissimilar characters and ran with a bad joke. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284644-space-wolfs-vs-primarchs/page/11/#findComment-3556692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Ah. Sorry. I'm very tired at the moment. Working overnights screws with the sleep cycle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284644-space-wolfs-vs-primarchs/page/11/#findComment-3556696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 That Perturabo seems like a pretty cool guy all of a sudden. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284644-space-wolfs-vs-primarchs/page/11/#findComment-3558426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-chaplain Astador Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Konrad Curze foresaw Dorn's gruesome demise. . What? Where is this from? What book and what is said? Â Interested Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284644-space-wolfs-vs-primarchs/page/11/#findComment-3567267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-chaplain Astador Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Also, while I understand the awesome cinematic picture it would have been  What good would Curze turning off the lights in the hall on maccrage have been?  I mean, firstly the astartes have their power armour which has some kind of night vision  Secondly their eyes are so good that even unhelmeted, they actually have night vision  So I'm sure him leaping out of the dark wouldn't have actually made a difference  "So, you think that darkness is your ally?...." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284644-space-wolfs-vs-primarchs/page/11/#findComment-3567277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 The Dorn vision is in "Prince of Crows", a novella by Aaron Dembski Bowden in the Shadows of Treachery anthology. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284644-space-wolfs-vs-primarchs/page/11/#findComment-3567279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Also, while I understand the awesome cinematic picture it would have been  What good would Curze turning off the lights in the hall on maccrage have been?  I mean, firstly the astartes have their power armour which has some kind of night vision  Secondly their eyes are so good that even unhelmeted, they actually have night vision  So I'm sure him leaping out of the dark wouldn't have actually made a difference  "So, you think that darkness is your ally?...." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284644-space-wolfs-vs-primarchs/page/11/#findComment-3567296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014   Also, while I understand the awesome cinematic picture it would have been  What good would Curze turning off the lights in the hall on maccrage have been?  I mean, firstly the astartes have their power armour which has some kind of night vision  Secondly their eyes are so good that even unhelmeted, they actually have night vision  So I'm sure him leaping out of the dark wouldn't have actually made a difference  "So, you think that darkness is your ally?...." Not Night Vision. Good low-light vision. Subtle difference. As long as there is illumination, an Astartes can somewhat see. And that's what Curze went for. Low-lights combined with his "The Shadow Clouds the Minds of Men" impersonation actually creates a scenario in which the Astartes are more blind than bats. Unless they have VI Legion noses or an empathic field. It wasn't leaping out of the dark. It was literally "Now you see me, now you don't!" Cheshire Cat theatrics, complete with fading in and out of thin air special effects. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284644-space-wolfs-vs-primarchs/page/11/#findComment-3567306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Still don't get how that shadow thing works. And their suits do have alternative vision settings. Infrared or others. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284644-space-wolfs-vs-primarchs/page/11/#findComment-3567319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Â Still don't get how that shadow thing works. And their suits do have alternative vision settings. Infrared or others. If it is like how the Shadow's "invisibility" worked(seriously, look this guy up. Old radio show superhero; had a movie in '94 with Alec Baldwin), then it is literally Curze sort of just dampening the area in a telepathic perception filter. He makes you think you're not seeing him until he wants to be seen. It wasn't him just appearing and disappearing but him making you see and then not see. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284644-space-wolfs-vs-primarchs/page/11/#findComment-3567324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Â Â Still don't get how that shadow thing works. And their suits do have alternative vision settings. Infrared or others. If it is like how the Shadow's "invisibility" worked(seriously, look this guy up. Old radio show superhero; had a movie in '94 with Alec Baldwin), then it is literally Curze sort of just dampening the area in a telepathic perception filter. He makes you think you're not seeing him until he wants to be seen. It wasn't him just appearing and disappearing but him making you see and then not see. so corax then? Coz if you take those certain sections of deliverance lost it's almost identical. Also how many powers are they going to give curze? Foresight, EMP power and merging with the shadows? Not bad for a primarch thats not a pawn of the gods, or describedcas overtly psychic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284644-space-wolfs-vs-primarchs/page/11/#findComment-3567332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Foresight was always Curze's gig. And funnily enough, McNeill gave Curze the whole darkness schbang back in The Dark king, which was before Deliverance Lost. So Corax is actually like Curze. ;) Â As for the EMP, could be technology or it could be part of his perception field. Â But in reality, all of the Primarchs are innately psychic beings. Some never developed their powers. Some only instinctually use their powers. And then there are the few who actually learn to manifest them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284644-space-wolfs-vs-primarchs/page/11/#findComment-3567338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Ah cool sorry its been a while since I read dark king.. though im sure thats where he emp'd the room dark Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284644-space-wolfs-vs-primarchs/page/11/#findComment-3567343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Maybe. For some reason I remember it as he flipped a switch or something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284644-space-wolfs-vs-primarchs/page/11/#findComment-3567344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Maybe. For some reason I remember it as he flipped a switch or something. Â He clapped. Â Â Come on Kol. In the grimdarkness of the far future there are only clapper lights :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284644-space-wolfs-vs-primarchs/page/11/#findComment-3567345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Kurze is more like movie Bane. More naturally at home in darkness. Despite living in a pit with a giant sunroof, but whatever. Â Corax is more like the Shadow, able to change perceptions to make himself disappear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284644-space-wolfs-vs-primarchs/page/11/#findComment-3567347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Gotcha. Thanks. Sorta like the same thing Corax can do. I can dig that. Also explains how the IW coached the IF dude into striking him as he was very far away and couldn't be affected by it. Â What EMP power are you guys referring to? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284644-space-wolfs-vs-primarchs/page/11/#findComment-3567348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Im sure in dark king, he did something funky and the lights in his room basically exploded so he could stealth kill some IF and EC guards Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284644-space-wolfs-vs-primarchs/page/11/#findComment-3567352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Thanks a lot. I'd like to think that was tech that he would have used very often, although as Kol says it could easily be a psychic power. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284644-space-wolfs-vs-primarchs/page/11/#findComment-3567353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Causing the darkness is his thing, though I don't remember the source of the power either. Tech or psychic. Â And that is his element. He can use the darkness to hide himself, any darkness. The shadows are his ally. Â Corax, on the other hand, is able to hide in plain sight. It isn't a darkness thing, like Curze,. It is a perception thing, and more certainly a psyker power. People just don't see him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284644-space-wolfs-vs-primarchs/page/11/#findComment-3567374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I never thought so many would willingly feast on a can of worms ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284644-space-wolfs-vs-primarchs/page/11/#findComment-3567678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I never thought so many would willingly feast on a can of worms Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284644-space-wolfs-vs-primarchs/page/11/#findComment-3567681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I never thought so many would willingly feast on a can of worms ;) They're all protein ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284644-space-wolfs-vs-primarchs/page/11/#findComment-3567694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I read them more as a token gesture tbh. Report their findings back to Russ then make an example of themselves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284644-space-wolfs-vs-primarchs/page/11/#findComment-3568127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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