Space Wolfs Vs Primarchs

[Conn Eremon]

Which lends a fair sense of foreboding to the Blood Angels.

[Kol Saresk]

Guilliman with a marble bust killed ten Alpha Legionaires who caught him by surprise and were using anti-Asartes bolt rounds.

the Alphas almost won but just had to stop a moment to twiddle their moustaches

As I recall, he still won.

[depthcharge12]

 

The packs (might as well) Russ sent on "guard duty" were similar to what the Emperor did with the Custodes; both parties knew it was a one way trip should the worst go down. Their purpose was nothing more than a confirmation of guilt; while the Emperor could not prove that Lorgar partook in a heathen ritual upon Cadia, he could prove that a Custodes was lost, warranting a follow up.

 

Exactree. I think this is actually mentioned in Fear to Tread. The Wolves were there to die, and they could be trusted to loyally go to their graves. If they died and stopped reporting in, then something was wrong. It's the equivalent of a canary down a mine.

 

 

 

Space Wolves.

 

 

The Emperor's.....Expendables?

[Deathwatch/Grey knight]

You can't bring curzes death into this he chose to die ( didn't he ?) I'm sorry but I done think a callidus would be able to kill curze unless he wanted it

 

Or dorns supposed death cuz all I heard was they have his fist in a case from the space marine novel

 

And we won't know unless they write about the first black crusade other then just the codex

 

Now a small squad of space wolves wouldn't last and they did by like 0001 % chance they would fail Vulkan

[Kol Saresk]

Curze is....... He didn't necessarily choose his death, but he did choose to let it happen.

 

The other thing about the assassins is that some of them are like compact Astartes and can dish out a beating, even against those of the Legions. But they still don't compare to the Primarchs.

[Legatus]

Offtopic:

 

Or dorns supposed death cuz all I heard was they have his fist in a case from the space marine novel

And we won't know unless they write about the first black crusade other then just the codex

 

Well, there was also the Imperial Fists Index Astartes article. Which is not all that ambiguous. It mentions the skeletal hand, leaving perhaps a small hope for Dorn merely having disappeared, but when describing the events, it speaks of Rogal Dorn making his "final stand" and how the Imperial Fists would later board the ship to recover "what remained of Rogal Dorn".

[Grimdarkness]

Curze died to prove he was right. 

[DuskRaider]

Space Wolves are just Astartes. They're not a special snowflake within the Legions, they just follow orders better than most. And if you've read the Battle of Phall, you see what happens to a larger number of Astartes in Tactical Dreadnought Armor when they confront Perturabo. 

[Kol Saresk]

Space Wolves are just Astartes. They're not a special snowflake within the Legions, they just follow orders better than most. And if you've read the Battle of Phall, you see what happens to a larger number of Astartes in Tactical Dreadnought Armor when they confront Perturabo.

Massacre. Extermination. Annihilation. Oblivion. Devastation. The list of adjectives goes on.

[AlabasterKnight]

Offtopic:

 

Or dorns supposed death cuz all I heard was they have his fist in a case from the space marine novel

 

And we won't know unless they write about the first black crusade other then just the codex

 

Well, there was also the Imperial Fists Index Astartes article. Which is not all that ambiguous. It mentions the skeletal hand, leaving perhaps a small hope for Dorn merely having disappeared, but when describing the events, it speaks of Rogal Dorn making his "final stand" and how the Imperial Fists would later board the ship to recover "what remained of Rogal Dorn".

 

That could have been that he survived and they recovered his wargear... just saying. :)

[Wade Garrett]

No, Dorn died on the Sword of Sacrilege.

 

Because unlike SOME Primarchs whose names I will not mention, he knew the role he was created for: to safeguard the people of the Imperium from those who would do them harm.

 

Which means you don't scamper off into the Eye of Terror when your feelings are hurt, you take those feelings and you REPRESS THEM! YOU LOCK THEM DOWN! You torture yourself for a few days, then you suit up, put on a stiff upper lip, and you do your duty.

 

And only in death does duty end.

[Deathwatch/Grey knight]

Exactly what I was I was saying curze chose to die I mean do people honestly reckon an cladidus take on curze I mean we are talking about fear himself with eyes of terror . No pun intended... The more darker version of batman ........ He's Tom Wayne if any of you have seen justice league: flashpoint paradox you would no what I mean by that

 

Hell assassins even have trouble with asartes at time a and this is just a guess but I bet eversor temple would have most kills be cause let's face it you can't spell slaughterer without laughter

 

And the reason I brought up dorn supposed death and went of topic was because you can't use his death as an example because of canon

 

I mean think about it vulkans is a you know what now

•Papa smurf is building another imperium and thinks highly of him self and thinks he should have been war master

•Emperor is a bad father

•Khârn seems like a great guy so what I've been told nothing like the betrayer at all

•Russ can't tell the difference between blue and blue

•Corax can go invisible ( sorta I didn't know he could do that until DL prove me wrong if this d news).

 

And there a countless other things that can be used for examples since canon a lot of things have changed now I know that when they finish this series they are going to do the scourge/ purge series what stopping them writing about what happens to the primarchs ( in better detail) or the black crusade they could change ... We don't know what happened when dorn stepped on that ship they found one single fist so he could be dead or missing no one knows for sure except games workshop and black library

 

Sorry for going of topic

[depthcharge12]

Offtopic:

Or dorns supposed death cuz all I heard was they have his fist in a case from the space marine novel

And we won't know unless they write about the first black crusade other then just the codex

Well, there was also the Imperial Fists Index Astartes article. Which is not all that ambiguous. It mentions the skeletal hand, leaving perhaps a small hope for Dorn merely having disappeared, but when describing the events, it speaks of Rogal Dorn making his "final stand" and how the Imperial Fists would later board the ship to recover "what remained of Rogal Dorn".

That could have been that he survived and they recovered his wargear... just saying.

Ok.

Now I'm imagining Dorn getting his hand lightsaber'd off.

His hand stays there while he drops down a vent and is picked up by a band of misfits while saying his sister's name: "Fulgrim. Fulgrim......"

[Wade Garrett]

Konrad Curze foresaw Dorn's gruesome demise, and given that he was bang on about everything else he predicted (Ferrus beheaded, Lorgar and Fulgrim becoming daemons) that settles it.

 

We also know Dorn is dead because if he wasn't he'd be leading the Fists in defense of the Imperium right now. The Praetorian does not desert his sons and his post unlike other Primarchs I could mention.

[Deathwatch/Grey knight]

He might've I mean look at corax he was depressed over guilt for what he did to his sons

 

Dorn felt guilty for what happened to the emperor hell he was expecting to die at the iron cage until papa smurf so maybe he went into hiding for proper retribution maybe he went to find his brothers who knows

[Daddywarcrimes]

We know Dorn is dead because his skeleton (minus the hands) is encased in amber, on display for all the Imperial Fists to see.

[Conn Eremon]

If I recall correctly, it has been retconned to just the hand(s) with either the new Codex or the Sentinels of Terra supplement.

[Chief Captain Redd]

Yep it's just the hand/hands and has been for awhile. IIRC Games Day 99' or so, there was a bit fluff in the program that first suggested that it was just a hand of Dorn, also it was further suggested that Dorn may have taken command of the Custodes, and sits as one of the Lords of Terra to this day. Though it's been years since I actually read that, and I certainly don't have it at hand.

[AlabasterKnight]

I love Wade's enthusiasm to declare Dorn dead (which totally makes sense).

But all the Primarchs missing begs me to think they could just as easily be captive in a petting zoo in some chamber somewhere in the Warp.

[Wade Garrett]

I'm not pulling for Dorn to be dead because "Yarr! Go Chaos!" but because given his character it makes more sense that he went out in a glorious sturm und drang beating back the First Black Crusade than that he's...shudder... hiding.

 

Rogal Dorn. Hiding. There aren't enough Heresy! stamps on the Internet...

[AlabasterKnight]

I don't think any Loyalist Primarch whose status is questionable would be hiding, but captive is another matter.

[Wade Garrett]

Well, let's see...

 

Deader than Dead:

Sanguinus

Ferrus Manus

Rogal Dorn *

 

In Stasis Somewhere or Other:

Roboute Guilliman

Lion'El Johnson

 

Missing In Action:

Leman Russ

Corax

Vulkan

The Khan

 

*Status contested

[Chief Captain Redd]

Personally, I'm not in either camp with Dorn being alive or dead. I just thought I'd mention an older bit of background that certainly gives question to whether he's alive or dead.

[Legatus]

Let's be realistic: If GW wanted, they could bring back every single Primarch. They could bring back Sanguinius and Horus. Between the Eldar, the Warp, Chaos, the Old Ones, and the Necrons, there are ways to spin it. But it would require a "spin".

 

GW could bring back Dorn. Maybe he was poofed away by some unknown deity (the traitors did not left with him, they were still there when the remainder of teh Imperial Fists arrived), and is trapped in the warp. But it would require a spin.

[calgar101]

If the latest Space Marine Codex is to be believed then Dorn is very much and unequivocally dead.