Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 If Vulkan is a perpetual: Doesn't that mean if not all most or even a few salamanders get it as well or isn't it a genetic thing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284666-question-about-vulkan-spoilers/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Vulkan's a what?! Since when?! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284666-question-about-vulkan-spoilers/#findComment-3549057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Topic title changed. Try not to post up a topic with spoilers in the title, brother. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284666-question-about-vulkan-spoilers/#findComment-3549062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 Oh sorry didn't think about that Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284666-question-about-vulkan-spoilers/#findComment-3549067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karthak Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 If Vulkan is a perpetual: Doesn't that mean if not all most or even a few salamanders get it as well or isn't it a genetic thing Considering the fact that most of the Legion died at Isstvan V, I sincerely doubt that the majority were perpetuals. If they had been, the Iron Warriors would have gotten a very unpleasant surprise! :D Man, can you imagine their faces? They've just nuked the Salamanders, and are grinning at the demise of the foolish loyalists. Then, out of the mushroom clouds the 18th legion charges! Perturabo: "What in the name of Olympia is going on over there?!" Warsmith: "M...My lord, there is someone on the vox demanding to speak to you." Vulkan: "Perturabo? Not enough gun, brother. Not nearly enough gun." * *Shameless Preacher ripoff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284666-question-about-vulkan-spoilers/#findComment-3549082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 No. Not all of the Primarchs' genetic advantages were passed on. Otherwise Night Lords would be able to take enough wounds to kill ten Astartes and keep on going. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284666-question-about-vulkan-spoilers/#findComment-3549083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 What do you mean that kol and I don't mind spoilers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284666-question-about-vulkan-spoilers/#findComment-3549147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 What do you mean that kol and I don't mind spoilersIn Prince of Crows, Curze suffered at least ten injuries that any one of which individually would be instantly fatal to an Astartes. Not counting the numerous other injuries(some of which couldn't even be diagnosed in severity due to being sustained by unknown organs). So if all of the Primarchs' genetics, abilities and so forth had been passed on to even a portion of their sons, somewhere there'd be a Night Lord that could give Ramirez and the Highlander a run for their money. But thankfully, only certain traits got passed on. For the Sallies, it was onyx-hard skin. Night Lords, schizophrenia. Dark Angels, paranoia. Imperial Fists, masochismstubbornness. And so on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284666-question-about-vulkan-spoilers/#findComment-3549152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 There's been no suggestion that being a perpetual is a genetic trait, so unsurprisingly it doesn't seem to have been passed onto the Salamanders. It *seems* to be something that happens when someone revives you after you die (Grammaticus by the Cabal, the Cyrene by Erebus). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284666-question-about-vulkan-spoilers/#findComment-3549178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 of course he would survive that you forget he's a primarch they could have wounds that would kill 10 marines and wouldn't bat an eye that's not genetics that's a whole different biology system a primarchs biology is to an asartes what an asartes biology is to a human .... A whole new level Wouldn't have Erebus used warp sorcery to revive her I haven't read the book Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284666-question-about-vulkan-spoilers/#findComment-3549192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 He did, and she was therefore a Perpetual for being revived. However, I believe it is stated that Grammaticus, and by later extension Cyrene, are not natural Perpetuals. My own personal theory is that these are the modern reflections of the old lore's shamans and sensei. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284666-question-about-vulkan-spoilers/#findComment-3549208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 There seem to be different types of Perpetuals though. The "Naturals"(Daymon, Emperor(?), Vulkan(?)) and the "Unnaturals"(Grammaticus, Cyrene, Loken). Basically, the Naturals are those who weren't brought back but seem to be Perpetuals anyway. Although two-thirds of our examples aren't exactly naturally created beings so....... yeah. Glean from that what you will. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284666-question-about-vulkan-spoilers/#findComment-3549257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 If Perpetualism could be passed on genetically, by M31 everybody would be one. We know Oll Persson has been around about as long as Emps and been married a few times along the way, if his kids were Perpetuals then their kids were Perpetuals and none of them ever died... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284666-question-about-vulkan-spoilers/#findComment-3549264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Mmmmmmm new salamanders novel coming out in the time of fire series it could be that the librarian that went super sayjin comes back iirc.... Perpetualism may be Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284666-question-about-vulkan-spoilers/#findComment-3549440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Mmmmmmm new salamanders novel coming out in the time of fire series it could be that the librarian that went super sayjin comes back iirc.... Perpetualism may be You mean the Librarian who went Phoenix, became a living force of destruction, killed an entire fleet of Renegades and then farted a daemon into nonexistence Super Sayian Librarian? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284666-question-about-vulkan-spoilers/#findComment-3549541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Yeah that one ;) I think it's following on from that I'll try find the blurb Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284666-question-about-vulkan-spoilers/#findComment-3549550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Here we go http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y524/Taron_James_Beer/image_zpse2969488.jpg Five Years have passed since war came to Nocturne.Third Company, still feeling its losses, recovers its strength. And though a small party have ventured out in search of a certain errant fire-born, it is the Salamanders of Fifth Company who must wage war. On Heletine, the Black Legion has come in the name of Chaos and only Brother-Captain Drakgaard's warriors stand in the way of their dark glory. Victory for the Imperium hinges on the alliance between the Salamanders and The Sisters of the Ebon Chalice, warrior zealots and devout servants of the Ecclesiarchy. But there is more to this Promethean War than conquest, and only as the conflict grinds on are the true motives of the enemy revealed... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284666-question-about-vulkan-spoilers/#findComment-3549554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 i actually really like the tome of fire books even if the 3rd one is ridiculous with the whole SS libby. But i would be cool with him making a comeback but only if the firedrake who went renegade makes a comeback to. Maybe he cam bump into vulkan hestan out in the galaxy somewhere and gain redemption seeing as he never actually fell he was mind controlled by xeno tech and he still saved tu shann from being butchered by the marines malevolent captain and stopped dakir from going nova and destroying the planet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284666-question-about-vulkan-spoilers/#findComment-3549561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 If Perpetualism could be passed on genetically, by M31 everybody would be one. We know Oll Persson has been around about as long as Emps and been married a few times along the way, if his kids were Perpetuals then their kids were Perpetuals and none of them ever died... I believe that the old sensei/perpetuals were supposed to be sterile, and therefore could not father/mother children, The salamanders were gene-cloned from Vulkan, so there remains the possibility that it may be passed on. Hmm. I wonder if Dante is a perpetual? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284666-question-about-vulkan-spoilers/#findComment-3549570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Well that one sergeant is still alive and last we saw, he was tearing the Renegade Marines Malevolent a new one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284666-question-about-vulkan-spoilers/#findComment-3549599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted December 19, 2013 Author Share Posted December 19, 2013 I'm sorry using warp magic/ blood ritual or whatever Erebus did to bring her shouldn't have made her a perpetual That like saying every chaos marine that comes back to life is one I haven't read the book Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284666-question-about-vulkan-spoilers/#findComment-3549645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted December 19, 2013 Author Share Posted December 19, 2013 So what's the difference between a Sansei and perpetual I know that sansei are emperors sons and daughters Are they not but are they immortal Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284666-question-about-vulkan-spoilers/#findComment-3549647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 I'm sorry using warp magic/ blood ritual or whatever Erebus did to bring her shouldn't have made her a perpetual That like saying every chaos marine that comes back to life is one. You mean like Lucius the Eternal? Because that's kind of his thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284666-question-about-vulkan-spoilers/#findComment-3549653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 I'm sorry using warp magic/ blood ritual or whatever Erebus did to bring her shouldn't have made her a perpetual That like saying every chaos marine that comes back to life is one I haven't read the book Its not necessarily "resurrection period" makes one a perpetual(although it'd explain Khârn and Lucius) but we do know that a resurrection can lead to creating a Perpetual. Personally, I think of it as something like the Tomb Kings where their souls were bound to their bodies. Except in the case of the Perpetual, the bodies regenerate like Jack Harkness. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284666-question-about-vulkan-spoilers/#findComment-3549667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 The only other Chaos Marine I can think of who's returned from the dead is Eidolon, and I believe he becomes a Daemon Prince post Heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284666-question-about-vulkan-spoilers/#findComment-3549670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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