Death guard culture influence

[Chaeron]

Better than in days gone by where it used to be fit in as many 'z's, 'k's, and 'a's as possible to make it sound exotic.

[Kol Saresk]

Hey, Znakkle'Braklz'Popprz was an awesome daemon name. :D

[recon0321]

They did recruit from Albania checked the wiki

[Phalanx Warder]

Hang on a minute....

All this talk of 30/40k Death Guard from the UK makes me confused, I thought Orks came from there?!?!?!

[depthcharge12]

Hang on a minute....

All this talk of 30/40k Death Guard from the UK makes me confused, I thought Orks came from there?!?!?!

 

Hey 'ou stoopid git! Pipe it down and kill 'em humies!!!

 

 

Oi! What's dis?

[Conn Eremon]

Hang on a minute....

All this talk of 30/40k Death Guard from the UK makes me confused, I thought Orks came from there?!?!?!

Orks come from a very small portion of Albia that the Legion drives generally avoided.

 

Generally.

[Demus Ragnok]

They did recruit from Albania checked the wiki

 

Wiki isn't a reliable source, even on a good day.

[recon0321]

Well that came from the massacre book pretty sure

[Demus Ragnok]

Well that came from the massacre book pretty sure

 

Albia not Albania, already covered in this discussion on page one.

[Kol Saresk]

 

They did recruit from Albania checked the wiki

No, its Albia. Someone probably put up Albania without thinking. Its the 40K wiki roght? The same one that says the anathame is a Nurgle daemonsword and for the longest time hard the Dragon Warriors as Khornate Salamanders?

[recon0321]

Read further they came from Albania south eastern Europa....

 

Ok well no biggie I don't care that much

[Conn Eremon]

Nowhere in Betrayal is it said their position relative to Europa. Again, it is the Wiki showing their unreliability once more. Double-check it against Lexicanum, which is better but can still be unreliable.

 

To paraphrase what is said in Betrayal, the XIVth recruited from the blackened Castram-cities of Old Albia within the northern Atlan wilderness, a proud martial people known for overcoming the Unspeakable King of the Panpacific Empire and for the armorial imagery of the Ironsides of Old Albia.

 

Neither the Night Lords or the Iron Hands in Massacre say anything about Old Albia beyond their warrior nature.

 

If I was to toss a theory for something other than England, I'd go for New England. Contrasts with Old, borders what was once the Northern ATLANtic Ocean, and is close enough to what was once the Pacific Ocean to be dominated by an empire described as panpacific. Since Ironsides is an American thing as well, it is a potential alternative location.

 

No idea about Castram, aside from a Portuguese conjugation of 'to castrate,' which I hope is unrelated.

 

Or is a reference to the sexless future of Astartes.

[DuskRaider]

Isn't 30K England in the middle of the Palace? I could have sworn the island of Britain was now just... Palace.

[Conn Eremon]

I think at one point some time ago that was said, but now I believe it is supposed to span central Asia, focused around the Himalayas.

[Wade Garrett]

I'm pretty sure the Palace was built out of what is now the Himalayas. Which are kind of remote from Merry Old England.

[DuskRaider]

Yeah, I heard that too. I believe it's continent spanning, but I don't think it's THAT big.

[Conn Eremon]

It is huge and expansive, but it sounds like it is mostly within the Himalaya region.

 

Back when the Throne was GW headquarters, it was assumed that was the center of the Palace. The Himalaya thing replaced it, not added to it.

[Demus Ragnok]

Never trust the wiki, never.

[Kol Saresk]

Yep. Nemesis also places Albia next to the Atlan Wilderness. Atlan seems to be a perversion of "Atlantic". Albania is quite a ways off from the Atlantic if I recall my geography. It was taught by the American education system in a Florida public school, so it might be wrong.

 

Now, since we don't know just how much territory Albia covers, it could stretch from the British Isles to Albania. But if it was that large then there would be no need to call the Continent Europa.

[Durfast Spiritwolf]

If I was to toss a theory for something other than England, I'd go for New England. Contrasts with Old, borders what was once the Northern ATLANtic Ocean, and is close enough to what was once the Pacific Ocean to be dominated by an empire described as panpacific. Since Ironsides is an American thing as well, it is a potential alternative location.

 

No idea about Castram, aside from a Portuguese conjugation of 'to castrate,' which I hope is unrelated.

Ironsides goes back further than that. See my previous comment about Cromwell (Old Ironsides). His unit of horse were the original Ironsides.

 

On Castram, castra is Latin for defensive positions (plural) be they fortified buildings or trench systems. The singular form is castrum. I took the line to be drawn from the line in England's unofficial national anthem, Jerusalem, 'Dark Satanic Mills'.

[Conn Eremon]

 

 

If I was to toss a theory for something other than England, I'd go for New England. Contrasts with Old, borders what was once the Northern ATLANtic Ocean, and is close enough to what was once the Pacific Ocean to be dominated by an empire described as panpacific. Since Ironsides is an American thing as well, it is a potential alternative location.

 

No idea about Castram, aside from a Portuguese conjugation of 'to castrate,' which I hope is unrelated.

Ironsides goes back further than that. See my previous comment about Cromwell (Old Ironsides). His unit of horse were the original Ironsides.

 

On Castram, castra is Latin for defensive positions (plural) be they fortified buildings or trench systems. The singular form is castrum. I took the line to be drawn from the line in England's unofficial national anthem, Jerusalem, 'Dark Satanic Mills'.

That is why I said "as well." Americans have an Ironsides thing "as well."

 

Interesting about 'Castrum' though.

[Durfast Spiritwolf]

 

That is why I said "as well." Americans have an Ironsides thing "as well."

Interesting about 'Castrum' though.

Sorry not to quote you properly last time, my system was playing up and the quote Hutton wasn't working. All seems good now :)

[Kol Saresk]

Hey, crazy thought. What if the main empire/country/power in North American had spread into the Atlan Wilderness and the Pacific and that was the "Panpacific Empire" that was "near" Albion? Because IIRC, Albia is Great Britain, not England. And if Albion is Albia, then calling New England Albion wouldn't flow properly.

[Conn Eremon]

Considering that 'England' and 'Britain' are synonymous for many not of those islands, still fits.

 

Personally, I would find it odd if the Empire has holdings in Europa, if that is where Albia lies. It is the Panpacific Empire. If its holdings extended across the Atlantic, wouldn't it be the Panterra Empire by then?

 

But I am not going to argue that it is future New England. I would still say it is future British Isles, for simplicity's sake.

[Kol Saresk]

Maybe. I mean, the U.S. Is like of two, three countries that touch two oceans and it isn't exactly "panterra"(now I need to get off work so I can rock out) so it'd just have to be like the old British Empire; not necessarily huge, just long reaching enough to be "near".