Predictions for Book 3 Legion Rules

[depthcharge12]

Maybe alpha legion redeploys d3 enemy units within 6" of their location as mixed orders, so it can move enemy units out of cover or in gun range

[jeremy1391]

All I know is the fists better get Pollux, how are you going to do the battle of Phall without the crimson fist himself?

[The Architect]

I think they should do the blood angels as there really hasn't been a spotlight on them since the last release of their codex, so I think they deserve the limelight in the next Horus heresy book so they can flesh out the story of their primarch.

[Fire Golem]

I think they should do the blood angels as there really hasn't been a spotlight on them since the last release of their codex, so I think they deserve the limelight in the next Horus heresy book so they can flesh out the story of their primarch.

The legions in the next book are Alpha Legion, Raven Guard, Iron Warriors and Imperial Fists. Blood Angels are in the next trilogy.

[Kol Saresk]

Yep. Book IV is Battle of Prospero(I think), then the next two books are Calth(one book) and then the Blood Angels and Dark Angels(together in one book).

[Blindhamster]

Rumour has it that the order of books 4-6 might not be what people are expecting

[Kol Saresk]

Eh, Massacre's out. Except for Night Lords units, rules and RoWs, I am content with never knowing what's in another HH book. Except for the fluff. This fluffbunny needs his fluffcrack.

[DuskRaider]

Kol, you'll probably be getting more Night Lords-specific units in the next books as well.

[Kol Saresk]

I know. But that's basically my interest. :D

[Excessus]

Alpha Legion tactics in the books aren't easy to depict on the battlefield. As a Legion they did not break up into warbands until Eskrador, which was after the heresy. Sure, there would be small bands of AL on infiltrating purposes running around the place, but the main Legion forces would still be together and function as such. The wacky infiltration tactics of Omegon's guys is a part of ther main way to do battle, namely to attack the enemy with perfectly coordinated assaults from all possible angles (and some impossible, if possible :P ) and overwhelm them.

 

I would like to see expert seeker squads as assasination squads, or other such things that you can do on a battlefield, targetting enemy HQs and such. In Legion they teleported power armoured astartes, would like to see that as well. Lernaean Terminators, Effrit Stealth squads, misdirection tactics, reserves manipulation and outflank...

[Conn Eremon]

I am curious about what rules they are going to give Alpharius, Omegon, and Alpharius.

[DuskRaider]

Technically, everyone in the book is Alpharius and / or Omegon all at once.

[Onisuzume]

attack the enemy with perfectly coordinated assaults from all possible angles (and some impossible, if possible ) and overwhelm them.

Alpha Legion, attacking enemies M.C. Escher-style since M30.

[KBA]

Though I'm not a fan of them, RG will probably be getting Raptors.

[Kol Saresk]

 

Though I'm not a fan of them, RG will probably be getting Raptors.

Not necessarily. This is only Istvaan V. The Raptors don't exist yet.

[Gaius Atticus]

The traitors tend to get some sort of uber Terminator squad, while the loyalists probably will not. Instead they will most likely get specialist units (that probably will have little use outside certain roles).

 

I think IF will get some sort of aword unit, and maybe a boost to heavy weapons.

 

RG - lots of jump pack upgrades and stealth.

 

IW - Heavy terminators and better tanks.

 

AL - deployment shenanigans. Ive no idea what sort of unit they will give them though. Probably terminator related.

[KBA]

 

 

Though I'm not a fan of them, RG will probably be getting Raptors.

Not necessarily. This is only Istvaan V. The Raptors don't exist yet.

 

If it's only Istvaan V why are the Imperial Fists in it?

[Blindhamster]

Battle of phall happens at a relatively similar point in time to istavaan 5

[Kais Klip]

It contains the wipe up of Isstvaan V and the Battle of Phall (from the weekender)

[spu00sed]

I wonder if it will contain some forge world version of kill team, since the clean up operation would have included hunting down isolated squads.

[Marshal Rohr]

Phall happened right after Isstvan V. The Iron Warriors and Word Bearers didn't stay at Isstvan and instead immediately redeployed to Phall and Calth respectively.

[Kol Saresk]

But Phall did happen sooner than Calth. The vagaries of the Warp and all that.

[Veteran Sergeant]

Not Deliverance Lost's version.

Oh ok let's go, you crossed the line there buddy

Am I the only one that vocally liked Deliverance Lost?

Hopefully.

What was wrong, or rather off, in its portrayal of AL?

I think a lot of people didn't like the Mission Impossible Marines.

The original depiction of the Alpha Legion was just that they liked to find new and inventive ways to destroy their enemies. But they were still Space Marines, so they fought as Space Marines. I tend to disagree with Cormic and think that Abnett's Legion was the first step on that escalation of stupidity and the descent to Scooby Doo silliness ("Let's see just who you really are, mister"). While the Alpha Legion IA article was one of the poorer ones, at lest it seemed somewhat consistent with the earliest depictions of the Legion from 2nd and 3rd Edition.

What seemed to be lost on the BL crew (or willfully and bafflingly disregarded) was that the Alpha Legion of 40K are guerilla fighters and insurrection leaders and such, because they have to be. The AL of 40K are a (comparatively to the Imperium) tiny renegade force with limited assets, and would be crushed if they tried to engage in open warfare with the Imperium. So, because they had always been so innovative and adaptable, they had learned how to fight that way. But the Alpha Legion of the Great Crusade was a huge conventional force with long supply lines, fleets, support from the Navy and Army, etc. Thus, the idea of the Alpha Legion being all sneaky and duplictous and schemy is extremely silly. Especially in context. The Word Bearers were censured, violently and publically, for being a little slow. How did the Alpha Legion get away with just flat out goofing around and wasting time?

The answer is, they would have done any of that. This pretty much sums it up:

Space Marine Legions were designed to reconquer an entire galaxy in a short amount of time. That's why they are big and tough and durable and effective. Because otherwise they'd never get anything done. Show up, kill everyone who disagrees, move on to the next system. The Imperium has spies, and assassins, and covert operatives. Space Marines are not well suited for that job, but more importantly, that's not their job.

The original IA's poor writing is somewhat to blame, but basically the disagreement between Guilliman and Alpharius was given the typical +1 treatment and blown out of proportion. When Guilliman (and most of the other Primarchs scoffed at it too, he was just the one named) said it was a waste of time and bolter shells, he's referring to the image above. Space Marines don't have time to be wasting with complex plans. There's a galaxy of xenos scum to murder and lost human worlds to bring into the fold.

But where the original Alpha Legion were just really arrogant, but effective warfighters, they slowly transformed into this fairly ridiculous Legion where every author attempts to find something new and goofier for the Alpha Legion to be doing, other than actually being Space Marines.

Old school players of the Alpha Legion like myself have found the recent AL fluff to be fairly disappointing. Some, like myself, pretty much wrote the Legion off as "ruined". Others are a little less critical. But that's the short (long) reason.

[Kol Saresk]

The Alpha Legion had only been active for less than one hundred years.....

[spu00sed]

Vet sgt can I ask a quick question? Since you are old school alpha legion

 

I have a haze memory that they choose to side with Horus for the challenge of fighting marines, rather than out of any real desire to turn to chaos. I. Fact they were not a chaos legion, just a traitor legion. Am I remembering this right?