Sception Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Haven't had much time to read it. Highlights: Everyone and their mom can field him Can't be your warlord, doesn't take an hq slot. Lowers your warlords ld No inv, has EW Kinda pricy at near 200pts splits melee and ranged atacks bt bolt and plasma pistols Bs10 Infiltrate, shouded, hit and run, atsknf Can be taken on his own or as part of a csm dataslate formation w 1-3 chosen units, which lose marks, vets, and transports, but gain infiltrate and atsknf Formations are outside pf detachments, so no, theyaren't scoring w/ abby or black legion frpm what I can tell Lots of fluff I havn't read Several scenarios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjoluemblem Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 I can see uses for him as a way to get ATSKNF onto CSMs, making at least one unit super good. Price isn't so much an issue as I have the model, and MUST FIELD HIM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Aznable Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 The only thing I can think of is as a replacement for Huron so you can take a more conventional Lord combo for your main list if you want to Infiltrate special weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronotonic Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 THE BS ALONE...MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA yeah...my Night Lords just got a helping hand...and those Veterans of 10,000 years get a cool new leader guy...time to break out the robes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron-Daemon Forge Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Is there new background on Cypher? It really good to see Cypher return to the 40k world & I'm looking forward to useing him in my Iron Warriors force, along with a unit of Fallen Angels I'm going to be converted up later today :DIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RapatoR Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Yay! Infiltrating chosen!! Muhuhahaha for my Alphurion/Cypher infiltrating love! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roma Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Here is my steroid and cypher-fuelled start to my new list: Hq: cypher Huron (warlord) Abbadon Troops: 10 chosen, 5 plasma guns, mos, icon of excess 10 chosen, 5 melta guns, mos, icon of excess 10 chose, 5 plasma guns, mos, icon of excess 1,505 points of pure awesome. Cypher's squad, in particular, will have a load of lulz such as hit and run, shrouded, 12! Plasma gun shots at 12 inches, an insane overwatch thanks to the man himself and cc goodness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted December 25, 2013 Author Share Posted December 25, 2013 You can do that, but to have huron be your warlord, abby would have to be in your allied detachment. The big guy has to be your warlord if he's in the primary. Anyway, cypher's mostly striking me as a worse huron, in that huron mostly does the infiltrate thing already, but cheaper, and actually has a ++ save? Still, some pretty cool abilities and options, there. He's certainly no Be'lakor, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaz431 Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 His plasma pistol does not get hot! And he can shoot move shoot. And full bs during overwatch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctus Cornix Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 I'm sorry I can't look at this from any kind of competitive stand point. Cypher ' rules look too fun and flavorful to not play every once in a while. I am definitely going to start looking into making him and some fallen when I get back home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RolandTHTG Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Is there new background on Cypher? It really good to see Cypher return to the 40k world & I'm looking forward to useing him in my Iron Warriors force, along with a unit of Fallen Angels I'm going to be converted up later today IP It's got both the best of the old stuff (his meeting with Abaddon during the 13th black crusade) and new background, which is wonderful. Has a bunch of new timeline incidents to show what he's been doing for the past 10000 years (with plenty of ambiguity about what he is doing. He's both sabotaged and saved imperial units, including Dark Angel ones. (interestingly, both the timeline and stories get to post-13th Black Crusade) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crucial Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Is there new background on Cypher? It really good to see Cypher return to the 40k world & I'm looking forward to useing him in my Iron Warriors force, along with a unit of Fallen Angels I'm going to be converted up later today IP It's got both the best of the old stuff (his meeting with Abaddon during the 13th black crusade) and new background, which is wonderful. Has a bunch of new timeline incidents to show what he's been doing for the past 10000 years (with plenty of ambiguity about what he is doing. He's both sabotaged and saved imperial units, including Dark Angel ones. (interestingly, both the timeline and stories get to post-13th Black Crusade)Interesting about the post 13th crusade stuff. I thought the current fluff is now set before the 13th crusade (BRB) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Aznable Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Interesting about the post 13th crusade stuff. I thought the current fluff is now set before the 13th crusade (BRB) Current is how I read it: 999.M41 The Voice Silenced Although Cypher seems to be supporting the 13th Black Crusade, this is perhaps only a pretence. Certainly there have been uprisings in the Agripinaa Sector and even upon Piscina IV, however this has had a polarising effect. It has done as much to rally the faithful as it has stirred rebellion. Cypher has a minor conflict with Abaddon, and their alliance of convenience is brought to an end. The Dark Angels trace the source of the comms-signals to a broadcasting device in deep space. Although difficult to measure with precision, it is estimated that its location amidst the dust-ridden clouds of debris would approximate where their home world of Caliban once was. The beacon is swiftly and unceremoniously destroyed. That is from the last bit of information in the timeline section of the book. To me, it looks like it supports the currency of the 13th Black Crusade and jives with the long-standing "two minutes to midnight" theme of the 40k setting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Guessing they had a bucket load of metal Cypher to get rid off asap with how overpowered he looks on paper. Almost rivaling a 30k Primarch for half the cost and no FOC cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveNYC Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Full BS on overwatch with the plasma pistol(s), plus his high I attacks... probably going to want a meat shield unit to charge him first. The formation is clocking in at around 400 points, minimum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roma Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Well the formation is cypher + 1-3 squads of chosen with no chaos options so... 190+90 bare minimum (assuming here chosen are same cost as in codex). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted December 26, 2013 Author Share Posted December 26, 2013 Guessing they had a bucket load of metal Cypher to get rid off asap with how overpowered he looks on paper. Almost rivaling a 30k Primarch for half the cost and no FOC cost. ? Not the impression I got at all. He's super fragile while being rather pricey, and in his formation he likes to hang out with super fragile yet likewise pricey squads. He's cool and fluffy, in a runny, gunny sort of way, but hardly overpowered. I'm not yet convinced that he's even all that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Gotta agree that he doesn't seem all that great. Gw could have made him well killy if they wanted to shift models (to be honest I'd prefer a finecast model as I wanna convert him). Heaven forbid you have a lone daemon prince as your warlord. He'd be ld8 with cypher around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellrender Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Ithink he is definetly killy. But its rather easy to get him in the open, considering his range is rather short. And in the open he dies. Fast. He also nerfs your Warlord, which better isnt a psyker, nor can he be your warlord, meaning you NEED an additional HQ, which ups his cost. I think he is fluffy and would be a blast to play, but keep him for casual games where you can play the Cypher missions provided with the eBook, and you will have a lot of fun while doing. Doubt he is suited for tournament play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 unless someone plays in a world without servo skulls , then he does open up options. Not a game change like some supplement , but the chaos dex users are happy about any new stuff , which the adding of belfegor already proved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roma Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 I think he is almost perfectly priced, personally. FUN and balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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