Cypher

[Frater Cornelius]

Hey there lads! Merry Christmas. Hoped you had a good time.

Anyway, Cypher. Shootier and Overwatchier (yes, that's a word) than a Tau and faster than an Eldar with his Run/Shoot shenanigans. Can Infiltrate, got shroud and hit'n'run.

Being an independent Character I feel that there is some combo Potential there.

Go second and get TWC ready for the charge. Keep Cypher in there to slingshot him into melee and then hit and run out of there with his I8 if there's something left standing.

Or maybe some Terminator/Grey hunter shenanigans? What's your thoughts. I will certainly try him out.

Oh and for those Wolves who do not want a Dark Angel in their army.. be smart and do it like me: create a wolfy counts-as. Will soon be working on a Lone Hunter with great fluff to be supporting my Wolves in battle (and to have an excuse to field him)

[Ordo Machinum]

Hey there lads! Merry Christmas. Hoped you had a good time.

Anyway, Cypher. Shootier and Overwatchier (yes, that's a word) than a Tau and faster than an Eldar with his Run/Shoot shenanigans. Can Infiltrate, got shroud and hit'n'run.

Being an independent Character I feel that there is some combo Potential there.

Go second and get TWC ready for the charge. Keep Cypher in there to slingshot him into melee and then hit and run out of there with his I8 if there's something left standing.

Or maybe some Terminator/Grey hunter shenanigans? What's your thoughts. I will certainly try him out.

Oh and for those Wolves who do not want a Dark Angel in their army.. be smart and do it like me: create a wolfy counts-as. Will soon be working on a Lone Hunter with great fluff to be supporting my Wolves in battle (and to have an excuse to field him)

Oh, it's still going to be Cypher. He'll just be in disguise.

Now I may have to build a few different armies to enjoy my favorite little DA heretic/hero model.

[Leif-thunderstand]

I also like the cypher. I made one as a BC that i can use as a LH / or as a countsas Cypher.

[Frater Cornelius]

I think infiltration is a nice way to add another pseudo pod to the GH drop. Add Bran Redmaw and you can have 3 pods, 2 coming down and in addition 2 more squads can be infiltrated for bigger saturation. Now throw in TWC and have a bunch of scouts doing a rear entry *wink*. Gotta try that trick. Working on a conversion as we speak.

[skeletoro]

Scout isn't bad either. Add a land raider Proteus to the mix

Edit: what's a lone hunter?

SO yeah, what kind of fluff might explain the redmaw losing 1 Ld and the dark angels hating him? He's intriguing and would complement my army immensely so I am very interested in this thought experiment :)

[skeletoro]

Maybe a wolf guard that has gone a little too feral? Too close to home for Bran. But that doesn't really fit in all that well with the gunslinger thing quite so well.

[Leif-thunderstand]

A Lonhunter is a Spacewolve who is the last man standing of his troop. They just wear theyr old troops signs ahead, they just got to fight alone and have revenge for theyr fallen brothers. So theyr mission is having revenge and die on batlefield. (if a Lone Hunter dies in a combat your oponent will not get tje points for him, but he will if the LH still stands at the end of game. )

[Frater Cornelius]

He might just be a hermit or someone touched by Lokyar, the Great Lone Wolf, as they say on Fenris. I think the Warlord becoming a bit unnerved and him acting outside of any chain of command could be explained the sword he never uses (seeing as it is a point of significance with the real Cypher). Maybe it's a daemon weapon he is saveguarding. Maybe he himself is a daemon hunter and that sword has some context sensitive significance? It would perfectly fit the fluff of my lost company as they need to deal with daemons on a regular basis and a lord of change is instrumental to the plot line. You could also take the opposite route and say he is just so damn much disruptive or stubborn that the Warlords leadership is undermined, Lukas-style. As for DA hating him? Personal vendetta. Maybe he killed a Fallen Angel before he could be apprehended, since he is hunting Daemons and all that. DA take that very SERIOUSly, you know ;)

[skeletoro]

Wait a sec, you mean lone wolf right? I thought that's what you meant but wasn't sure.

[Frater Cornelius]

Nah, nothing existing in the codex. Just a new special character with his own background. Although being a loner/lone wolf can certainly be part of it.

[Leif-thunderstand]

In my opinion it should be that way.

[skeletoro]

To be clear, my last question was directed at Leif (did he mean Lone Wolf when he said Lon hunter or is a LH something else entirely?)

 

I think lone wolf could be interesting but you would have to explain why he is leading a unit if you do. Maybe that is why he is bad for morale? He hasn't gone LW after his pack died, which is considered dishonourable?

 

Alternatively, the daemon hunter thing could work. a variation on that could be that he had a long stint in the deathwatch or something and spent a long time doing who knows what before coming back to his company.

[Leif-thunderstand]

Sorry brother. I just misunderstood that thing about Lone Hunters to, and thaught LH would be the english name of Lone Wolves. I even wondered to how a LW could lead a unit since he is a loner...(Morale and stuff)

[Valerian]

With BS10, I'd consider sticking him behind a Quad-gun, or some other such weapon.

[skeletoro]

All good, Leif.

[Frater Cornelius]

Sticking him on a quad gun is sort of redundant because it is already twin-linked. I think his biggest values are indeed Infiltrate and Hit and Run.

[Valerian]

Tongue-in-cheek.

[Growler67]

Isn't he a turn-coat?  Why would ANY loyalist Chapter take this heretic?

[Leif-thunderstand]

In an older chaos codex (think it was 3rd ed) Cypher could be played by csm and da. It was about he is doing his own stuff... In the one batle he may fights against spacemarines, but in the verry next he could fight side by side with em again if it fits his plans.

[Frater Cornelius]

Nah, he's the LOYALEST OF THEM ALL :D no seriously, get his data-slate. Good read.

[Kasper_Hawser]

I wonder if the Wolves have any inkling of the Dark Angels Fall though. Most likely not, given that is the one thing that Dark Angels never fail, suppress the truth, but somehow I think it unlikely that they would have a strange Space Marine with no chapter joining their army for a specific time and objective. Then again the Wolves are also pragmatic and could ally with anyone save Thousand Sons against a bigger threat.

 

LOL, personally I would like to see that Cypher approach Grimnar and offer his services, and the Great Wolf accepting either because:

 

a) No choice as circumstances are dire

b) Valuable trade of some relic or another, hell, even information about Russ whereabouts.

c) The most unlikely one: Cypher reveals the truth about his loyalties and Grimnar aids him out of honour or.... compassion for the Fallen Angel who is in fact loyal and hunter by his own legion for 10,000 years.

 

A Wolves character based on Cypher doesn't fly with me though. Lone Wolves are already last remaining ones of their pack and are highly respected, they wouldn't cause their own warlords a deficient in leadership. And Wolves like it or not, have never been stupendous shooters to justify the BS8.

 

Just my 2 cents.

[Frater Cornelius]

I think that this is how it would play out. DA and SW have an ancient feud/rivalry playing out between them, starting back during the great crusade where some planetary leader insulted Russ where as he swore to kill him for said insult. The Lion got there first however and steal russ' kill. Russ got mad and attacked the Lion, they duelled a couple days. Then Russ saw how childish they were and laughed, the Lion got pissed because he thought Russ was mocking him and suckerpunched him and left consinderinh honour satisfied. Since then, whenever DA and SW met, two champs have a duel. Because if that, the alliance between DA and SW always been a hot topic. As for Cypher, he probably would do some diguise or something, still coming to SW is still as unlikely as it gets. Also I never said to make him a Lone Wolf specifically but rathet someone with a loner mentality as a Wolf Scout, they are alone by choice and as such been said to have been touched by the Great Lone Wolf (a figure from the Fenrisian Mythology). His skills, reputation and crack shooting skills might be just his reputation or something he has done. Add to that that many SW players like to create own great/lost companies, I feel that this is the way to create something context-sensitive for each of us. This is how I did my Inquisitors from Codex: =][=, they aren't inquisitors but rather special dudes from their company/world with a special role (more details when I get done with the complete story :D)

[Leif-thunderstand]

Sounds well, brother.