RolandTHTG Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 I'm thinking of building a Mantis Warriors - White Scars combined force, using Ahazra Redth as the Warlord to take advantage of his Interceptor warlord trait. I was thinking of putting him with a Devastator squad with Flakk missles, so that they could also act as my anti-air. Do people think that would be better, or either mix with or use a full set of lascannons instead? I feel pretty confident of my force's ability to deal with hordes and elite units, it is fliers and somewhat tanks that I am not 100% confident of. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284938-ahazra-redth-firebase-suggestions/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nusquam Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 It's not a bad idea, the MLs can use Frag and Krak as well as Flakk. The only issue I can see is that you could just as easily take an ADL/Quadgun. Better yet you could combine the two if you wanted so things like lascannons can intercept deepstrikers and the quadgun can intercept enemy air. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284938-ahazra-redth-firebase-suggestions/#findComment-3554210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 If you want to make use of intercept, you either need a huge amount of shots or skyfire. I do not see how 5 lascanon snapshot (ever with prescience) will deal with fliers. There's a chance of just below 1/3 that a prescienced lascanon will hit without skyfire. To make best use of his warlors trait I'd suggest putting him into a unit that already has skyfire. Only flak devs come to mind. Maybe also Centurions with Grav Canons? I mean they get a lot of shots, add prescience and skyfire would not matter so much.. if not for the 24'' range. In the end, aren't you better of with multipurpose units like Stormraven or with stuff like quad gun and get your divination librarians instead? Or are there that many Heldrakes in your meta? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284938-ahazra-redth-firebase-suggestions/#findComment-3554213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandwen Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 I think Nusquam was considering the lazcannons for killing off deep-striking units and drop pods rather than flyers, but even if he wasn't, the odds of damaging a helldrake are roughly even with snap firing krak missiles and with full bs flak missiles (dumb, but thems how the rules work). Laz cannons would actually do more snap firing at a helldrake than flak missiles would with the full ballistics skill. Really, a quad gun is a steal compared with flak devs for use against air units. But the thought of seeing a sternguard squad eat it with 4 lazcannon and who knows how many bolter shots before they can shoot their combi weapons. That's just great. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284938-ahazra-redth-firebase-suggestions/#findComment-3554223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nusquam Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 I think Nusquam was considering the lazcannons for killing off deep-striking units and drop pods rather than flyers, but even if he wasn't, the odds of damaging a helldrake are roughly even with snap firing krak missiles and with full bs flak missiles (dumb, but thems how the rules work). Laz cannons would actually do more snap firing at a helldrake than flak missiles would with the full ballistics skill. Really, a quad gun is a steal compared with flak devs for use against air units. But the thought of seeing a sternguard squad eat it with 4 lazcannon and who knows how many bolter shots before they can shoot their combi weapons. That's just great. Indeed. Combine both for the best effect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284938-ahazra-redth-firebase-suggestions/#findComment-3554234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excubitor Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 I used him in a game with allied IF devastator squad with 4 plasma cannons, as I knew my opponents Space Wolves are heavy on Rhino Chassis, Drop pods, power armour and terminators, but has no flyers or heavy armour vehicles. Redth had the 'no cover saves' power as his secondary. I had first turn. A terminator squad (turn 1) and a PA Wolf Guard squad (turn 2) died before even firing a shot after podding in and a Wolf Scout squad that infiltrated behind them died as soon as they appeared (turn 3), as well as a Long Fang Squad behind an ADL (turn 1) But I think in a more general list I'd use IF devs with 4 flakk missiles, should be able to deal with most things. For picking off Deep Strike units, I'd always go Plasma Cannons. Tank busting, Lascannons (with an Icarus ADL), maybe even this vs flyers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284938-ahazra-redth-firebase-suggestions/#findComment-3554330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 I wrote a Redth list once and used Devs, three with flakk missiles and one with a lascannon; never actually built it, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284938-ahazra-redth-firebase-suggestions/#findComment-3554738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Go big with redth and put him in a grav centurion squad, delete any unit that has the audacity to land near him! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284938-ahazra-redth-firebase-suggestions/#findComment-3554862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RolandTHTG Posted December 31, 2013 Author Share Posted December 31, 2013 Go big with redth and put him in a grav centurion squad, delete any unit that has the audacity to land near him! While I'm not as against them as some of the members of this board, i don't like the 40k centurion models, so I'm not that interested. Plus This will be my only squad on foot, and having them slow and purposeful just seems wrong. I am considering Excubitor's plasma cannon suggestion. the thought of greeting arrivals with 4 blasts is tempting... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284938-ahazra-redth-firebase-suggestions/#findComment-3557383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excubitor Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 It's greeting bunched up, base-to-base arrivals with 4 blasts! I'm looking at adding that unit to a Firestorm Redoubt. 4 Plasma Cannons, 2 quad-icarus Lascannons...With the Ammo dump to re-roll Gets Hot! rolls. Reserves? What reserves...? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284938-ahazra-redth-firebase-suggestions/#findComment-3557459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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