Black Templars Successor Chapter (with Psykers!)

[Marwynn]

It's just an idea. Consider a latent psyker that makes it through the Black Templars' rigorous screening tests? They can't end the guy (can they?) and it's likely his gene-seed is tainted. So what do they do?

 

I thought that maybe, just maybe, the Black Templars would allow them to join a "company of the damned" so to speak, sent in as shock troopers so that they may die in battle as a sort of mercy. Eventually, with all the various fleets, there'd be a sizable portion of these guys, perhaps even enough to rival a codex Chapter?

 

Is it a feasible idea?

[Noctus Cornix]

Kill it with fire.

[Demus Ragnok]

First signs of psyker abilities in a neophyte or initiate and the individual in question would promptly receive a bolt round from the nearest chaplain.

 

Templars don't have a traditional Librarius so any psyker that manifests after gene seed has been implanted are of no use.

 

Suffer...Not...the Witch

[Gorkimedes]

As was said above Templars have no way to train a psyker and an untrained one is a non-stop ride on the train to daemon town.

[Marwynn]

Gotcha, thanks fellas.

 

I was thinking they'd be donated to say an Imperial Fists (who train Librarians, right?).

[Conn Eremon]

Honestly, no, it doesn't sound feasible. What we know of Chapters being Founded, it does not work that way.

 

I would recommend reading Octavulg's very useful Guide to DIYing. The link can be found in the pinned Resources thread of this forum.

 

From there, once you have a more clear understanding of the process in which a Chapter is formed, you can re-approach what you want. My other advice would be to boil you desires down, that of a rough and tumble crusader force that has no qualms about utilizing psykers and build from there. Discard the rest and start from scratch with that.

[Demus Ragnok]

Gotcha, thanks fellas.

 

I was thinking they'd be donated to say an Imperial Fists (who train Librarians, right?).

The Fists and many other sons of Dorn train Librarians but the danger of a sudden onset psyker is just too great. Not to mention the doctrine of the Templars.

[Marwynn]

Thanks. I'm familiar with the way Successor Chapters are created, I wanted to see if this was a feasible seed--didn't know what the Black Templars did to their latent psykers.

[Conn Eremon]

To be honest, it is a touchy subject with the fans. Recently, a rather well-received and well-loved aspect of the Black Templars' lore has changed, that being their handling of psykers. Currently, it is now canon that they have no Librarians simply because they have no psykers to become Librarians, not that they have a prejudice against the 'witch.'

[RazorDaemon]

It is up to you.

 

From a Black Templar point of view, because most of us are a bit stubborn, will still inform you of the proper procedure to burn the witch, shoot the which in the chest twice and the head once, then burn it again.

 

In more recent times, the previous BT Codex was retconed by the current Space Marine Codex to state that the Black Templars have lightened up on Imperial Alligned and Trained Psykers. That being said, it is still against the rules to use a Librarian as part of a Black Templar (or just using the Black Templar rules/tactics) detachment, they are only allowed in a Detachment that is Allied to the Black Templars. If you truly want to have a Librarian as part of the actual detachment/army and have it as a Black Templar successor, you can still have the fluff of a BT successor that has deviated in several ways, not an uncommon occurrence in Space Marine successors, while using the rules of Vanilla or another rules/tactics (I recommend sticking with BT, Imperial Fists, or Vanilla).

 

In the end it is up to you, just always make sure the Codex allows it first. Fluff you can work with, rules are pretty set.

[Kastor Krieg]

To be honest, it is a touchy subject with the fans. Recently, a rather well-received and well-loved aspect of the Black Templars' lore has changed, that being their handling of psykers. Currently, it is now canon that they have no Librarians simply because they have no psykers to become Librarians, not that they have a prejudice against the 'witch.'

Ultrawardine heresy. Abhor the witch, deny the witch, destroy the witch.

[Brother Tyler]

Given the lore in the new codex, the Black Templars would likely be accepting of an initiate that exhibited psyker powers. As has been said above, how the Black Templars would get such a psyker trained is another matter altogether. Lacking their own psykers, the Black Templars would have to resort to external aid. A number of potential solutions to this problem are available - the vast resources of the Imperium have multiple sources of psyker mentorship.

The first issue, though, is whether or not the potential psyker would even survive the entire implantation process. Given the size of the Chapter, it seems likely that some potential psykers have been recruited by the Chapter in the years since the Chapter lost its psykers. If that is true (and I believe that it is), then there's some other reason that the psykers have failed to reach full initiate level. Perhaps there is a problem in the gene-seed that is deadly to psykers; perhaps there is a secret following within the Chapter that kills off the potential psykers (and I'd put all of the reactionary "suffer not the witch" types in that category ), perhaps it's something else altogether.

Shifting this to a Successor Chapter, anything is possible. You wouldn't be able to use the Black Templars Chapter Tactics. Alternately, you might use the allies option to represent the portion of your army in which the psykers are located.

[Kastor Krieg]

Given the lore in the new codex, the Black Templars would likely be accepting of an initiate that exhibited psyker powers.

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[Brother Tyler]

Denial, one of the most powerful things in the universe.

 

"If the Emperor decides to once again bless the Black Templars with Librarians, they will embrace it..."

 

Codex: Space Marines, page 53

[Gorkimedes]

Does that mean they'd be ok with librarians if the emperor stepped off the throne and told them he's ok with them or does that mean a random librarian poping up would be seen as a blessing / sign?

[Prefect Apollyon]

The new Codex states that they would be accepting, it's just not happening. They just aren't producing any psykers.

 

Still; BURN THE WHITCH!

 

As for the idea, fluff says they have no Librarians. Its like saying you want to build Codex-compliant Space Wolves. I wouldn't bother.

[Gorkimedes]

Hmm you would think they'd just find some children who are psykers. I don't believe geneseed has anything go do with it.

 

I suppose if you were dead set on templar psykers you could have a crusade that is active around warp storms/ daemon worlds that starts to develop psychic traits. Do they see this as a sign of the Emperor's favor? Do their brothers reject them? Maybe they see this as a sign that they're superior to their fellow Templars and ditch the chapter all together.

[Kastor Krieg]

No, Brothers, come on.

The Ultrawardine codex into which we got tossed says ONLY that IF the Emperor gave us an order, essentially lifting the Nikaean Edict, we'd accept Librarians in our fold. NOT because we'd suddenly be all OK and fluffy with them (because :cuss witches, the whole Horus Heresy is because of THEM), but because we're the last Chapter out there that's faithful to the Emperor's words - and what the Father says, goes.

We grudgingly accept the services of the people whose craft is passive, well-monitored and proves
to be a necessity of the realities of life - and whose usage and powers were NOT forbidden by the Nikaean Edict - astropaths and Navigators. Do we LOATHE them still? We do, because they are the witch and the mutant, warp-tainted foulness is what their souls are stained with. The people
who use their powers actively, seek out more power, who are born with the talent and TRAIN for it, QUEST for more power - like Librarians of the Space Marines, like witches and sorcerers of the Enemy?

:cuss THESE PEOPLE WITH A CHAINSWORD.

[Noctus Cornix]

Denial, one of the most powerful things in the universe.

"If the Emperor decides to once again bless the Black Templars with Librarians, they will embrace it..."

Codex: Space Marines, page 53

There's also another powerful thing. It's called acceptance.

Like I accept that that piece of fluff is bull and I will never play Black Templars again.

Thanks for reminding me.

[Conn Eremon]

Actually, it says if the Emperor blesses them with psykers, as a deity blessing a people with a good crop this year, not as a liege lord releasing his people from a restriction.

 

I understand and agree with your distaste for the new fluff (though calling it the 'Ultrawardine' Heresy/Codex is honestly irritating), but this is not about pushing the old way over the new. This is about someone who wants to find a way for their idea to work, an idea somewhat legitimized by the new fluff.

[Sanguine_Knight]

Yes... I think this is about what someone wants to express as an idea. As long as you stick to canon as to how the chapter was founded, I don't see why a BT Successor couldn't break away and begin training psykers. Its entirely plausible for them to enlist the aid of outside sources (Say another Space Marine Chapter or an Imperial sanctioned psyker). I understand the angst generated by the BT codex being retconed though.

[Sergeant Lowe]

while it is accepted that BT's don't have Librarians, there is nothing that forbids a successor chapter from having them.

 

The main thing here would be that there has to be a good story/background for it.

 

Also people like navigators, astropaths and the like are viewed as a necessary evil - they're even accepted by the Adeptus Sorriritas

[XKhalilX]

out of curiosity are the BTs the only known official chapter to abhor librarians?

 

what about iron hands i dint hear talk of IH libs. or what of the white and red templars who possibly successors from BTs

[Demus Ragnok]

The Iron Hands use librarians. One of the main characters in the Wrath of Iron novel is a librarian.

[Kristoff]

Easiest answer is that Templar seed was used to create the Chapter, but another chapter's Marines actually trained them.<br /><br />This would mean that they do not have the Templar's Tactics, but have another Chapter's Tactics. For all intents and purposes, the only relationship to the Templar's would be in your head.