Max Power Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Hail, brothers! I'm in the process of building my horus heresy legion, and I've amassed quite a few tanks. Do we know of any legions that specialized in armored warfare? I can make the leap and assume Iron Warriors, due to the whole Tallarn giant tank battle, as well as the Ultramarines - Chronus' title is an old horus heresy one. I understand that all legions could have armored specialists, just due to the vast size of these forces, but I'm looking for who would be the cream of the crop. What do you guys think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Iron Hands. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/#findComment-3558610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyromancer Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Iron Hands, Iron Warriors, Imperial Fists, Sallies (Maybe), Death Guard. I assume that all of the legions have a few, but these five probably have the most. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/#findComment-3558614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 World Eaters :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/#findComment-3558623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Even the Night Lords had armoured companies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/#findComment-3558639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share Posted January 2, 2014 Haha, the World Eaters are one of the legions I'd love to do most, as I would absolutely have Angron and 10 of the new Red Butchers charging out of the Spartan I'm buying. I'm just not sold that the nails wouldn't push them into disastrous ambushes that get their tanks scrapped. Kol_Saresk - I totally agree that all of the legions had them, I'm just wondering who made it a point to be the best. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/#findComment-3558640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Haha, the World Eaters are one of the legions I'd love to do most, as I would absolutely have Angron and 10 of the new Red Butchers charging out of the Spartan I'm buying. I'm just not sold that the nails wouldn't push them into disastrous ambushes that get their tanks scrapped. Kol_Saresk - I totally agree that all of the legions had them, I'm just wondering who made it a point to be the best. As I said above, Iron Hands. I believe their legion rules (and fluff) offer some very specific benefits to armor centric armies. But I can't say for certain as I don't have the book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/#findComment-3558643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Iron Hands and World Eaters(surprisingly, they earned the praise of Ferrus himself) seem to have put some serious effort into their armor. I'd say Iron Hands take top bunk though. After that, would pretty much be the Sallies and/or Iron Warriors. Everyone else is virtually equal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/#findComment-3558652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don the Oiler Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 I think the Forgeworld books will describe each Legion's motor pool in greater detail, "Space Marine in a tank" is just not a very popular scenario for novels as it strips them of their most unique abilities. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/#findComment-3558653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus1138 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 The Iron Hands are absolutely top dogs here, with Iron Warriors a close second. The Imperial Fists likely had a strong armored core, supported by the fact that one of the most advanced tank designs originated in their legion. I have to disagree with the others mentioned above however. Salamanders: I have no doubt their vehicles were very advanced due to the artisanship of the legion, but I don't think we have any reason to think their armored corps was special beyond that. World Eaters: The mention of their armored companies being praised by Ferrus Manus was included to show that they didn't neglect various types of warfare, but it goes right back into saying everything was a means to an end - the end being hand to hand combat. Death Guard: The Death Guard are specifically called out as being an infantry force. They relied on Heavy Support Squads and Dreadnoughts for fire support, leaving tanks and support vehicles aside in many cases. It does mention the specific exception of siege vehicles like Vindicators however, as well as mass formations of Spartans and Fellblades for bigger battles. It's also worth noting that the tank crews in the 14th were primarily Terran, and made up a large proportion of those purged at Istvaan III. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/#findComment-3558757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevatar Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Iron Hands - they made the most use of mechanized waves of armoured companies, which is reflected in having Outflank, and IWND on sufficiently tough vehicles when using Ferrus Manus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/#findComment-3558898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Iron Hands and World eaters from the books so far, of course my Humble Alpha Legion 1st Armoured would claim they are ;)(If it wasnt for those pesky flare shields...) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/#findComment-3558970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 The 10th are probably the Legion with the biggest Armoured contingent: although they are listed as numbering 113,000 Astartes, (referred to as 'moderate' in size), their battle strength is listed as comparable to larger Legions purely based on the strength and size of their armoured divisions. Plus these armoured units weren't just for support, they could effectively be equivalent to whole armies: with multiple Orders (batallion to chapter size formations) consisting purely of battle tanks being deployed at once. Individual units of Land Raiders or Predators within these formations usually contained up to 40 vehicles, with Fellblades fielded in units of three or five. Plus you have each Clan within the Legion operating almost completely independantly, more like sub-Legions really, each having its own armoured contingent. And then, on top of this, you have a massive Legion reserve of vehicles of all types, which could be attatched to Orders appropriate to their objectives. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/#findComment-3559050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 I'm still reading Angel Exterminatus, but I love the part where the commander is using rhinos inside the landing bay to repulse the boarding attack. While it only works in such a large area as that and not the rest of the ship, I think it's pretty sweet. Goes to show how flexible the Iron hands are with vehicular combat Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/#findComment-3559057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 I like the Castellan Rhinos..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/#findComment-3559059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vazzy Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Any legion can have armored companies or siege companies or dedicated assault companies. That's the beauty of the legion, you can play whatever you want. I'm building my Ultras as a Siege Breaker Company. In contrast someone could make an entirely assault troops company of Ultramarines. There's no stopping it save your imagination. So if you particularly like a legion that no one has mentioned yet there's no real reason to not make up background explaining your choice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/#findComment-3559224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Actually, Death Guard are said to have a large amount of Fellblades, Spartans, Land Raiders, and Vindicators. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/#findComment-3559971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 It was just that Mortarion didn't like the Fellblades, Spartans, Land Raiders and Vindicators. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/#findComment-3559972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Well, they still used them extensively. Which sounds a bit off to me, but it's right there in Betrayal, BRO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/#findComment-3559991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 The third legion were very good at armoured warfare, there again when you are the Emperor's chosen you are very good at everything you put your mind to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/#findComment-3560008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Well, they still used them extensively. Which sounds a bit off to me, but it's right there in Betrayal, BRO.I know :) But for the sake of what the OP was looking for, the Iron hands currently have an army mindset for tanks. They certainly do have a very large amount of them and the praise of their Primarch concerning armoured regiments is a valued thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/#findComment-3560011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Yeah, definitely. Iron Hands or wait for Iron Warriors / Imperial Fist rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/#findComment-3560029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I think the IF are going to be more urban-warfare/ship-to-ship boarding than any kind of armor and I have a feeling the IW are going to be artillery and heavy infantry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/#findComment-3560036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted January 4, 2014 Author Share Posted January 4, 2014 The Ultramarines could make a case for having an excellent armored core. Guilliman being a genius, constant materiel flowing in, 200k marines to pick gifted ones from. I may explore this option further as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/#findComment-3560164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vazzy Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 The Ultramarines could make a case for having an excellent armored core. Guilliman being a genius, constant materiel flowing in, 200k marines to pick gifted ones from. I may explore this option further as well. Yes Brother. Join the XIII there's hardly any of us representing the legion. Of the top of my head I think it's myself, Rider and Anaziel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/#findComment-3560274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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