Kol Saresk Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 The Ultramarines could make a case for having an excellent armored core. Guilliman being a genius, constant materiel flowing in, 200k marines to pick gifted ones from. I may explore this option further as well. Yes Brother. Join the XIII there's hardly any of us representing the legion. Of the top of my head I think it's myself, Rider and Anaziel.Ironically. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/page/2/#findComment-3560283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
esinhorn Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 I agree ,It would so be like when I play World of Tanks and go off attacking on my own because my teammates are too worried about cover and surviving. I usually get popped in the first 2 minutes :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/page/2/#findComment-3560334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 I like the idea of an armored company. And the best part about the legions is the fact that any of them can have any unit imaginable. These aren't puny chapters that have to focus on one thing or he irrelevant. These are LEGIONS. They have mechanized companies, drop assault companies, dragoons, hussars, grenadiers, cataphracts, armored companies, air mobile, long range recon, raiders, sappers, and any other thing you can think of. If you want an Iron Warriors army representing a long range patrol, you can have it! If you want a Dark Angels army that is a specialized armored company, you can have it to! There is no limit with your options in the Heresy. Only 40K is so claustrophobic and limiting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/page/2/#findComment-3560404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted January 4, 2014 Author Share Posted January 4, 2014 So true, Marshal2 Crusaders. The horus heresy has ignited a passion for the game I haven't had since I started playing again in 4th edition. We'll see how the imperial guard like it when I start obliterating their tanks with an armored thrust of Sicarans. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/page/2/#findComment-3560477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 I like the idea of an armored company. And the best part about the legions is the fact that any of them can have any unit imaginable. These aren't puny chapters that have to focus on one thing or he irrelevant. These are LEGIONS. They have mechanized companies, drop assault companies, dragoons, hussars, grenadiers, cataphracts, armored companies, air mobile, long range recon, raiders, sappers, and any other thing you can think of. If you want an Iron Warriors army representing a long range patrol, you can have it! If you want a Dark Angels army that is a specialized armored company, you can have it to! There is no limit with your options in the Heresy. Only 40K is so claustrophobic and limiting. What is this....."forging a narrative"? ...is it...heretical??? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/page/2/#findComment-3560505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysteriousmaskedmystery Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I would pick EC or UM actually as the 'best.' The EC because they stove for perfection in their use of every tactic and weapons system available to them. The UM for much the same reason. They seem like the armies least tied down by any specific mind-set or doctrine that would keep them from making the best use of their armor. Also, the size of the UM legion would lead me to assume they would have the largest specialized armored forces. I don't see how either the IW or IH are more tank-minded when it comes to their tactics or mindset. The IH venerate machines more, but both they and the IW have too methodical of a mind-set in my opinion to field truly inspiring tank formations. The IH would almost certainly use tanks as spearhead formations, while the IW are more known for using artillery than tanks, right? Either of these legions might have lots of armored vehicles, but that doesn't mean they make the best use of what they have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/page/2/#findComment-3561491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Actually the Ultramarines sheer size and the fact they deployed on so many simultaneous fronts(except for the notable occasions) would point to why Guilliman never stayed to just one type of warfare and instead tried to "standardize" his Legion. That way no matter the taskforce, it could deal with any threat, overcome any obstacle and use any advantage that came its way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/page/2/#findComment-3561497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I see the Ultramarines being a more modular outfit, like a BCT. The other legions have more of an older style philosophy when it comes to organization. I'm interested to see how the Blood Angels and Dark Angels come out in the end. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/page/2/#findComment-3561505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 As far as I remember, the Alpha legion had a strong armoured presence on Istvaan V, they are described as deploying their tanks when the ambush begins where the other ones are sescribed as deploying troops (or bunkers, when it comes to the IW, hehe). Originally, they were also the ones having a great tank battle on Tallarn...but that has unfortunately been re-written as an IW battle. Too bad, I wanted to see how my lovely Alpha Legion fares in a proper battle... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/page/2/#findComment-3561521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 They also had "warmachines" at Istvaan V. I wanna see those too. Although it looks like the only "proper" battle we'll ever see is when they fought the Space Wolves in Scars. Which was actually a kind of awesome battle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/page/2/#findComment-3561522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TemujinZero Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Originally, they were also the ones having a great tank battle on Tallarn...but that has unfortunately been re-written as an IW battle. Too bad, I wanted to see how my lovely Alpha Legion fares in a proper battle... The Alpha Legion are still there behind the scenes... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/page/2/#findComment-3561790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Originally, they were also the ones having a great tank battle on Tallarn...but that has unfortunately been re-written as an IW battle. Too bad, I wanted to see how my lovely Alpha Legion fares in a proper battle... The Alpha Legion are still there behind the scenes... I think that will just make it worse for Excessus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/page/2/#findComment-3561795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I would pick EC or UM actually as the 'best.' The EC because they stove for perfection in their use of every tactic and weapons system available to them. The UM for much the same reason. They seem like the armies least tied down by any specific mind-set or doctrine that would keep them from making the best use of their armor. Also, the size of the UM legion would lead me to assume they would have the largest specialized armored forces. I don't see how either the IW or IH are more tank-minded when it comes to their tactics or mindset. The IH venerate machines more, but both they and the IW have too methodical of a mind-set in my opinion to field truly inspiring tank formations. The IH would almost certainly use tanks as spearhead formations, while the IW are more known for using artillery than tanks, right? Either of these legions might have lots of armored vehicles, but that doesn't mean they make the best use of what they have. Massacre specifically states that the Iron Hands have so many tanks that despite being a 'moderately' sized Legion (113,000 Astartes), their actual battle strength is comparable to larger Legions. The whole idea of Iron Hands tactical doctrine is a preference for overwhelming force, with heavy firepower used at close range (perfect for tanks which can survive in the heart of a battle) and mechanised flanking manouvres. Plus the IHs tend to have a greater understanding of the mechanical than other Legions, so they would be better equipped to use armoured vehicles to their full potential. The whole reason they were originally called the 'storm walker' is because they weather the heaviest fighting and then smash asside the heart of the enemy formations with a single, destructive counterattack. This 'Hammer and Storm' tactic would lend itselfto armoured formations - their ability to endure enemy fire & the terrible weapons they can unleash. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/page/2/#findComment-3561879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Originally, they were also the ones having a great tank battle on Tallarn...but that has unfortunately been re-written as an IW battle. Too bad, I wanted to see how my lovely Alpha Legion fares in a proper battle... The Alpha Legion are still there behind the scenes... I think that will just make it worse for Excessus. Yeah, since I don't have access to the book, it's annoying...and yet another book with Alpha Legion behind the scenes? I want a proper battle damnit! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/page/2/#findComment-3561981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TemujinZero Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Originally, they were also the ones having a great tank battle on Tallarn...but that has unfortunately been re-written as an IW battle. Too bad, I wanted to see how my lovely Alpha Legion fares in a proper battle... The Alpha Legion are still there behind the scenes... I think that will just make it worse for Excessus. Yeah, since I don't have access to the book, it's annoying...and yet another book with Alpha Legion behind the scenes? I want a proper battle damnit! In fairness, they are present 'behind the scenes' with what appears to be a large armoured contingent. Hopefully they'll do more than twirl their moustaches in the full Tallarn novel when it finally shows up. Either way, I think us Alpha Legion fans are pinning all of our hopes on the next Forge World book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/page/2/#findComment-3562564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Originally, they were also the ones having a great tank battle on Tallarn...but that has unfortunately been re-written as an IW battle. Too bad, I wanted to see how my lovely Alpha Legion fares in a proper battle... The Alpha Legion are still there behind the scenes... I think that will just make it worse for Excessus. Yeah, since I don't have access to the book, it's annoying...and yet another book with Alpha Legion behind the scenes? I want a proper battle damnit! In fairness, they are present 'behind the scenes' with what appears to be a large armoured contingent. Hopefully they'll do more than twirl their moustaches in the full Tallarn novel when it finally shows up. Either way, I think us Alpha Legion fans are pinning all of our hopes on the next Forge World book. Speaking for myself at least, I can say...yes we are, yes we are... ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285154-legion-armored-companies/page/2/#findComment-3562568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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