Qorbane Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 I took an extended break away from playing my Salamanders in favor of my Imperial Guard Army. But, after seeing all the rules changes for Codex Space Marines, I am wanting to get back into my Salamanders. The problem is I want to build and customize my own chapter. I have tons of Salamander style bits and stuff currently and Love the looks of them, so should I just stick to Salamanders? Of would a Custom Chapter who uses a lot of Dragon style stuff be okay? My initial play on the chapter goes as fallows. Combat Doctrine History – Founded to act as a protection force with in the Koronus Expanse and to extend theinfluence of the Emperor's Will. Chapter Aspects Founding Chapter – Believed to be the Salamanders Founding – 26th Founding 212.M41 Chapter Master – Homeworld – Argolis Fortress-Monastery – Citadel of Erechtheion Colors - Hawk Turquoise / Silver or Bone White or Black have not decided yet Specialty Strength Battle Cry Basic History puts them as a Fleet Based Chapter sent into the Koronus Sector to protect the Empire's interests in this wield and untamed sector. Have them take over a Planet to cull new recruits from that is very Oceanic. The Chapter's fortess/monastery is in space and that is were they spend a large amount of time. But I love the history of the Salamanders so I wanted to incorperate some of there beliefs into these guys (1) When they are not activaly at war or are in down time they return to the home world to live amongest there people as advisers and such and with there families. (2) The planet also has Dragon Like dreatures that live around islands and in the sea. This being how they show worth but Killing them. (3) The killing of the dragon like creatures becomes an honor reputation stat for them, vets and elites bear the scales and hides of there defeated prizes. (4) Since they have come here to this sector they would need some way to be able to operate alone, as such they have a forge ship of sorts with them and they honor the ways of Vulcan by becoming master artisans as well. I did a lot of work on them for a Rogue Trader campaign I was running and had them show up again in a Dark Crusade game I was also in. The Chapter's name is still in the Works, currently the Sea Drakes is a bit iffy in opinion from my friends, may change may not. I also came accross a bunch of Tridents I really wanna use lol, have them act as either Relic Weapons or as Power Lances for my troops. Also some Trident Shoulder Pads ( Like the Emperor's Spear Legion ) that I also thought might work really good on my tacticals and such. The whole thing really boils down to make a custom chapter that is Very close to the founding chapter or just make more Salamanders. My friend on here plays Chaos and has his own custom chapter, which I think has been the key source of influence of me doing a custom chapter. But I do not know if I should even bother with it since I so desire to use all the dragon stuff on my new chapter lol.. Anyways what do you all think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285184-fire-eaters-salamander-successor-chapter/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excubitor Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 So a Chapter of Salamanders successors, with rules that show them as specialists with flame weapons, from an ocean world? Ok, to be serious for a sec, it sounds good. you've put a lot of work into it and what you've put forward makes sense. To appease your desire for Salamanders, you could make a small contingent led by Vulkan and say they're responding to a call for aid from Vulkan in his search for one of the artifacts of the Primarch (say a sternguard squad and Vulkan, maybe extras as desired) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285184-fire-eaters-salamander-successor-chapter/#findComment-3559380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannus Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I think this will get better responses over in Liber. I'll move it over there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285184-fire-eaters-salamander-successor-chapter/#findComment-3559812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 If they are 26th Founding, you could even do some of your HQ/Elite choices in Sallies colours and say they are the training cadre for the new Chapter and haven't changed their colours as they are planning to (eventually) go back to Nocturne? I wouldn't have the sea dragons, to me it breaks the suspension of disbelief that their new world just happens to have these big dragon-like creatures just like on their parent Chapter's world? Unless it's part of why they choose that particular world in the first place? That said, you really don't need to have them for the Chapter to use the badge, it's very common for Successors to use their parent's badge in another colour. Do like the idea of an oceanic world though, and the comparison to space combat. Maybe give it a Polynesian feel? Chains of volcanic islands would also suit the Sallies! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285184-fire-eaters-salamander-successor-chapter/#findComment-3559877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongGone Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Do a DIY chapter. Not only does it provide basically limitless options on the tabletop, but you get to experience the satisfaction of fleshing a few ideas out into a full blown IA, and having your guys "officially' be a part of the 40k universe... Or at least recognized by the members of B&C as such LG Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285184-fire-eaters-salamander-successor-chapter/#findComment-3560090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Lowe Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 I say go for the DIY aspect and what you have sounds good so far. I agree with the suggestion of something like Polynesian islands. as far as the dragon creatures are concerned I assume you're thinking of something like the Kimono Dragons Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285184-fire-eaters-salamander-successor-chapter/#findComment-3560199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qorbane Posted January 4, 2014 Author Share Posted January 4, 2014 I say go for the DIY aspect and what you have sounds good so far. I agree with the suggestion of something like Polynesian islands. as far as the dragon creatures are concerned I assume you're thinking of something like the Kimono Dragons Ya large beach dwellers who can swim, but mainly live on the islands them selves. A compation critter giving them a reason to want to hunt and kill them, and since they would be a predator, a reason to show off prizes of the hunt. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285184-fire-eaters-salamander-successor-chapter/#findComment-3560211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qorbane Posted January 4, 2014 Author Share Posted January 4, 2014 If they are 26th Founding, you could even do some of your HQ/Elite choices in Sallies colours and say they are the training cadre for the new Chapter and haven't changed their colours as they are planning to (eventually) go back to Nocturne? I wouldn't have the sea dragons, to me it breaks the suspension of disbelief that their new world just happens to have these big dragon-like creatures just like on their parent Chapter's world? Unless it's part of why they choose that particular world in the first place? That said, you really don't need to have them for the Chapter to use the badge, it's very common for Successors to use their parent's badge in another colour. Do like the idea of an oceanic world though, and the comparison to space combat. Maybe give it a Polynesian feel? Chains of volcanic islands would also suit the Sallies! Humm a group of Sallies who came with them to basically show them the ropes and help line them out as a firm standing chapter in this sector of space. I like that idea a lot Thanks! Ya the vision I had in mind was a planet with a Ring of Fire like setting were the Large islands and there chains all come from Volcanic activity and even have a few large ones about the place. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285184-fire-eaters-salamander-successor-chapter/#findComment-3560212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qorbane Posted January 4, 2014 Author Share Posted January 4, 2014 Thank ou all for the ideas and suggestions Love them and find them very helpful Thanks tons. I will keep kicking the idea around in the teeth and hopefully have a squad done asap and posted to get more suggestions Thanks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285184-fire-eaters-salamander-successor-chapter/#findComment-3560214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I love the idea of a Polynesian influenced Salamander chapter on an ocean world of volcanic islands. Idea has instantly so many characterful ways to take it and develop it. I want to steal it and runaway with it. Couple of suggestions: make fire-eating a part of their culture - in keeping with the theme and a nice variation of the Sallies playing with fire. You could even call them the Fire/Flame Eaters. Maybe they could use some kind of special fuel for the fire that combines with their digestive organs to sometimes produce visions they consider to be granted by the Emperor. I like the komodo dragon idea. You could have a myth of a giant fire breathing aquatic lizard who lives in the depths of the ocean. Never been a confirmed sighting but it is a legend that it will one day emerge and destroy the islands. Call it "Gor-sila". :) Otherwise, there are lots of little Hawaiian references you can make. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285184-fire-eaters-salamander-successor-chapter/#findComment-3560812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conviction Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I love the idea of a Polynesian influenced Salamander chapter on an ocean world of volcanic islands. Idea has instantly so many characterful ways to take it and develop it. I want to steal it and runaway with it. Couple of suggestions: make fire-eating a part of their culture - in keeping with the theme and a nice variation of the Sallies playing with fire. You could even call them the Fire/Flame Eaters. Maybe they could use some kind of special fuel for the fire that combines with their digestive organs to sometimes produce visions they consider to be granted by the Emperor. I like the komodo dragon idea. You could have a myth of a giant fire breathing aquatic lizard who lives in the depths of the ocean. Never been a confirmed sighting but it is a legend that it will one day emerge and destroy the islands. Call it "Gor-sila". Otherwise, there are lots of little Hawaiian references you can make. Love this idea. Really good inspirations for a chapter here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285184-fire-eaters-salamander-successor-chapter/#findComment-3560840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qorbane Posted January 23, 2014 Author Share Posted January 23, 2014 well the new paint that Games Workshop put out that is suppose to be Hawk Turq does not look anything like the old Hawk lol. But I knida liked the way it came out. Need to come up with what I want for the bases now. humm... Anyways I wanted to post and give a look see at the Drakes so far.. Still not sure on the name but Fire Eaters sounds awesome... but not sure if the colors of the armor would work. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285184-fire-eaters-salamander-successor-chapter/#findComment-3576880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben rolls Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 very nice colouring. for the name i would go with something more in the way of water and fire i.e steam knights or something like that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285184-fire-eaters-salamander-successor-chapter/#findComment-3581446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Still not sure on the name but Fire Eaters sounds awesome... but not sure if the colors of the armor would work. The name doesn't have to reference the main armour colour, though. Crimson Fists and Red Scorpions are primarily blue and grey respectively. Maybe give them a fire themed badge to match the name - a skull in profile eating/breathing fire would look pretty cool (and some red/orange would not only contrast well with the blue/metal but also might help tie the model in to the base, which looks nicely done btw). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285184-fire-eaters-salamander-successor-chapter/#findComment-3581495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qorbane Posted January 29, 2014 Author Share Posted January 29, 2014 Torn between these two. The Purple one is very close to my Tau base style, but it is my favorite I have done so far. The Lavaish one is more like fire rather then Lava. I wanted it to seem more animated and active. Either one I think will work. But figured I would check opinions. On a Side note -- Going with Fire Eaters as chapter name. Going to see if I can find someone to make me a 3d model for it and go through someone like Shapeway or something to render me a bunch of them. Thank you Aegnor for the name Idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285184-fire-eaters-salamander-successor-chapter/#findComment-3581832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus Imperator Vult Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 This is a really interesting concept. Tbh I've always had ideas about making a DIY chapter but could never really settle on a concept. I've not really got much background with gaming/colour schemes so not too sure I can't help much there. Although, we know Salamanders are into their whole ritual scarring thing have you considered polynesian (if thats the way your going) style tattoos either on their armour or faces? You could maybe include that into their lore too something like the brothers recieve their first tattao (deliberate mispelling to make it sound more native) as a neophyte and add to it through out their life? Similar to castodians names, so a scout could have a small pattern on his bared arm but captains and your chapter master would be covered? That could also be an interesting variation for your Chaplins make one of their jobs within the chapter to mark the brothers of their company? As far as back story goes I like the idea of keeping them close to their origional chapter. One of the things I like about the Son's of Dorn is that their all still close after so many foundings. I had a couple of thoughts about how you could weave this into their lore you could have a Salamander strike team land/crash on this island planet for whatever reason and recognise the local wildlife as being decended from the Nocturnal drakes. Years later when one of those brothers, maybe now a captain, choses to leave to start a new chapter he recalls that world and returns. That way the world is similar to him in spirit like the Salamanders but not. Perhaps, if you were going to follow the fire eating route you could have had him wounded on the island and the natives conducted a ritual (fire eating/tattooing) on him while they nursed him back to health and that ritual gave him a vision of the Emperor or Vulkan? That could also give you an interesting avenue to explore lore wise as to how Nocturnal animals found their way to a planet out of the system... maybe something about Vulkan visiting the planet during the great crusade and a pair of drakes he kept aboard his ship finding their way to the surface? OR You could have the planet origionally be used as a training world for the Salamanders. Nocturns boiling seas hardly lend themselves to aquatic training so Tu'shun (or an earlier chapter master) could maybe establish the outpost on this island as a way of training brothers for the fighting on ocean worlds? The colour change in their armour could have been a mark that they had begun their aquatic training or, depending on how spiritual you wanted to make them, a mark of respect to the planet. More and more brothers began to choose to stay on the world. Perhaps it's invaded and the 50 or so Salamanders who are training are forced to fight to defend it that shared history meaning they don't want to return to their respective companies so choose to remain on the planet then after time they reach a point when the Salamanders recognise them as a sucessor chapter as they have become so in all but name? This way they could still honour the past and train Salamanders meaning you could still feature some green in your ranks if you so chose? Like brother Aegnor says it's a really interesting concept the notion gives the mind a lot to work with ^ as you can probably tell haha would be happy to talk though any of these ideas with you a little more maybe even contribute some character ideas, backstory, or lore if you wanted? As far as research goes have you read Brothers of the Snake? Or done any reading on the Iron Snakes as a chapter as they are based on a moon orbiting an ocean world so there might be some ideas to draw on from there? I just had a quick glance at polynesian names and their are a couple that would suit astartes quite well; Fire Captain Aolani? Fire Priest (Librarian) Kaipo? see what I mean. Also, did you ever watch Deadliest warrior? They had an episode where one of the warriors was an Aztec slightly different area I know but they had a load of ritualistic names for their weapons you could draw on? Wow looking back up I realise I have written much more than I origionally planned to. Hope all/some of it helps. Glory to Vulkan and the Emperor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285184-fire-eaters-salamander-successor-chapter/#findComment-3582336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus Imperator Vult Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 FLOATING FORTRESS MONESTARY!!! Apologies, I will calm down now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285184-fire-eaters-salamander-successor-chapter/#findComment-3582380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffTibbetts Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I think this chapter has some promise. The test mini looks a lot better with the lava, by the way. I wasn't so sure about turquoise but I think it works. Okay, so I also dig the idea of Polynesian themes. You want to think about how to NOT make them Charcharadon clones, though, and I think the volcano theme works for you. I like the contrast between fire and water. What about making them super stunted and primitive (death worlds are always great for astartes recruiting as well) and the sallies came down like Prometheus (the Greek one) and taught them how to harness fire, forge weapons, and take their lives back from the beasts who were eating them left and right? I love me some grim-dark, and with sallies being so heroic, the GD might have to come BEFORE the chapter was founded. I love the idea that a new culture has flourished, encouraged by and mixed with the culture of the sallies, and the people are essentially reborn. They use the fire to hunt, to fight back against the beasts of the sea. Make sense? EDIT: Side note… How the heck did you DO the lava base? I've gotta tell ya I've seen LOTS of lava bases, and this one is awesomely different, from the glossy black lava rock to the dancing, liquid flame. That is an awesome look. Tutorial? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285184-fire-eaters-salamander-successor-chapter/#findComment-3582822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qorbane Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 The bases are super easy. When I get back to my shop I will post the steps I did in order to get the effect as well as the supplies I used. Thank you for the compliment on them, I really appreciate it. Ya gonna stick with islander theme, I am digging it a lot. Even started some weapons research on it to see what I could do. Attempting to craft some spears and such to use as power lances and more clubs/mace style things for mails and the such. All sorts of fun things to do. Spent time trying to make lais for them to wear.. Misspelled the word but I hope you all know what I am talking about lol. I also think I am going to make a group of about 10 or so Salamanders to go with them. Earlier it was mentioned about doing that and I loved the idea a lot. Plus I get to use my Mark 5 stuff and my spell crow stuff on them to draw out the Salamander Shine. Try to figure out the chapter symbol for them still. But I know it can wait, granted they look a bit silly missing a shoulder pad for now. I have 20 marines based and going and completed my 2 thunderfires and techs. Still gotta finish my 2 forge masters and a chapter master lol wish I had more time hehe. Anyways I hope to be posting more pics soon thanks again Btw Lava bases are the heavy favored choice so I have been making them lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285184-fire-eaters-salamander-successor-chapter/#findComment-3583162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qorbane Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 FLOATING FORTRESS MONESTARY!!! Apologies, I will calm down now. Thought about having them land a battle cruiser or something in the ocean and stage from it as their main fortress. But also thought about having them construct a ring around the world in space. And have the marines and such keep the weapons of war and stuff off the world preferring to leave it as a paradise. Bunch of stuff I have been writing on. Wanna get it more flushed out but have been having a lot of fun working on it lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285184-fire-eaters-salamander-successor-chapter/#findComment-3583165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Lowe Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I think the Iron Snakes (not 100% sure on name) have their fortress monastery under water on their home world. just throwing that idea out there Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285184-fire-eaters-salamander-successor-chapter/#findComment-3583303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qorbane Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 Okay these are the materials I used in making the Lava Base. Like I said it is really simple stuff, but I do really enjoy the effect it makes. 1 - I take a base and apply the amount of White Stone I want on the base. The White Stone will end up being the Lava after color is added. I map out what I want the lava flow to look like on the base and just smear on the white stone with a stir stick or something. Once I have it on the base the way I want I go back over it lating the tip of a knife and dabbing it into the white stone and pull up. This causes the upward points in the White stone making it look like fire ( Or waves or what ever you want ) 2 - Once the White Stone is dry ( I leave over night to make sure it is solid ) I paint it Yriel Yellow. 3 - I then go over the rest of the base with Black Lava ( see real simple ). As this stuff begins to dry it will shrivel up a bit and really take on the look of lava rock. 4 - Once the Paint and Black Lava has dried I wash the whole thing in Fuegan Orange Shade. 5 - Dry brush some Mephiston Red onto the edges of the Black Lava near the, Now Orange and Yellow, White Stone. 6 - Dry brush Yriel Yellow and mixture of Mephiston Red and Yriel Yellow as needed onto the Lava to make it look the way I want. 7 - Done The Black Lava and White Stone are by Vallejo and I love the stuff. It was like 10 to 15 bucks per jar and is more then enough to do many bases. ( I have done more then 100 bases alread with it and still have plenty left ) Once the stuff is dry you can paint on it just fine, even the Black Lava is easily painted on, and can give some really cool effects. I have used it to do coral as well as standard lava already and I cannot say enough positive thing about it to give it justice. The white stone comes out looking like cake icing, and is super fun to work with. I bought it to make a cathedral floor base with for a buddy and just goofed around with it afterwards because I had so much of it left. It can be smoothed out, gridded, poked up, or layered out. I even let it set up a bit to leave marine foot prints in. Just simple love there line of stuff. I hope this explains the process well enough, have fun!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285184-fire-eaters-salamander-successor-chapter/#findComment-3583387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffTibbetts Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 That sounds awesome! Thanks for the detailed description. Never heard of those products before. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285184-fire-eaters-salamander-successor-chapter/#findComment-3583395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Me either. Am intrigued to try the White Stone and Black Lava! Really great seeing this chapter take shape. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285184-fire-eaters-salamander-successor-chapter/#findComment-3583972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XKhalilX Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 love.concept. very awesome. could make chainswords with teeth all around it like the polynesian warrior blades. if i recall 26th founding is 41.741 not 41.212 which i believe was.officially established. id suggest 25th that was early to.mid 40th or sentinelt founding of 23rd which was founded.to solidify and expan imperial borders Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285184-fire-eaters-salamander-successor-chapter/#findComment-3584161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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