The best legion (please don't hurt me...) *Hides*

[Kol Saresk]

Well, I wouldn't say identify and if I ever met those people in real life, I'd probably grab a pitchfork and join the mob that sets them on fire, but that is pretty much how I view Nostramo. The ones who made it becoming an Astartes? The ones who were so bad that they took an entire Legion of super-augmented children who had spent their entire lives killing men, women and children on the order of the Emperor(Which is technically all the Legions when you think about it) and made it worse, yeah. I see some of those as being similar to that little triumvirate, if not worse. If there is a worse.

[TheForgottenAngel]

Damn you autocorrect and doing Adam instead of Aaron.......I HAVE SHAMED MYSELF IN FRONT OF THE CHOSEN ONE......NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Legatus]

 

A wolf is pretty cruel in how it hamstrings a baby deer just to be able to eat. Yet I don't hear anyone calling the wolf evil for killing bambi. But hey, a wolf has to it, no?

 

I dunno...

 

 

cruel

 

- extremely unkind and unpleasant and causing pain to people or animals intentionally

 

- causing suffering

 

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/cruel?q=cruel

 

 

cruel

 

1. willfully or knowingly causing pain or distress to others.

2. enjoying the pain or distress of others.

3. causing or marked by great pain or distress.

4. rigid; stern; unrelentingly severe.

 

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cruel?s=t

 

If one allready claled the wolf "ruthless", that would adequately describe him eating the deer. Why would one then add that the wolf was also cruel, as is done with the survivors of the terran underground prisons?

[Kol Saresk]

Because it willfully and knowingly causes pain and distress to others. A hamstring by teeth isn't exactly painless. And the death that follows isn't always the quickest. And the wolves know that.

[Legatus]

I don't think animals reflect much on matters such as pain or distress.

[Kol Saresk]

No, that's why the wolves first scare the pack into running. And then they cripple it. Distress and pain are not involved at all, even if it is on an instinctual level of "how do I catch this food?"

[Inquisitor Eisenhorn]

The II and XI, obviously!

[Kol Saresk]

The II and XI, obviously!

Prove it.

[Darrell]

 

 

A wolf is pretty cruel in how it hamstrings a baby deer just to be able to eat. Yet I don't hear anyone calling the wolf evil for killing bambi. But hey, a wolf has to it, no?

I dunno...

 

 

cruel

- extremely unkind and unpleasant and causing pain to people or animals intentionally

- causing suffering

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/cruel?q=cruel

 

cruel

1. willfully or knowingly causing pain or distress to others.

2. enjoying the pain or distress of others.

3. causing or marked by great pain or distress.

4. rigid; stern; unrelentingly severe.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cruel?s=t

If one allready claled the wolf "ruthless", that would adequately describe him eating the deer. Why would one then add that the wolf was also cruel, as is done with the survivors of the terran underground prisons?

40K fluff can often use unnecessarily colorful description, or go out of its way to state very obvious things.

 

In the Executioners section of the second Badab War book, for example, their binary homeworlds are said to be orbitting a "slowly dying sun". It's supposed to add this sort of grimdark that their star is dying, but all active stars are dying.

 

Sometimes fluff is flavorful and adds character. Sometimes it's just words taking up space on the page. It can be difficult to figure out which applies to a given passage.

[Aleax]

Well, interesting topic (lol).The best legion? Every legion is the best. You know that there are seven colors in the rainbow? So are the twenty legions. They all are one color, some are the direct color of the rainbow, some are a mix of these. So all legions excell in one color at a time. But can a color be better than the other? Er does blue equates red that equates yellow? Of course the answer that comes to mind is, no, a color cannot be better than another color.

So the answer is of course every legion is the best, overall.

Now as a loyalist, I play Dark Angels 1st edition as written at the left <-, and to the view of the Emperor, the best Legion is to be loyal ! First and foremost ! So the perfection goal of the Emperor's children, or the leadership and trickery skills of the Luna Wolves are nothing, if at the end they turn traitorish !

The best legion is the loyal legion. Don't listen to chaos propaganda, be stubborn to defend the Imperium (Imperial fist/Dark Angels) or make acts of compassion for the forgotten Imperial citizen (Blood Angels/Space Wolves), and you have found what the best legion is !

The best legion is...any loyalist legion at the end of the Horus Heresy.

(Of course, this implicates that, it first discards all traitor legions. )

Now that 8 legions are discarded , we have to decide which legion is the best at conducting the Emperor will. We have 10 colors left. Which color is the best at conducting the Emperor's will? Well my overall answer is that all loyalist legion were pretty good at doing the job they were assigned to. So this all matter of details.

Now on the details! Of course as a Dark Angel (1st edition), I can tell you that my legion is the best now that we are on the details. Ok let's see I will do this for fun sake ,

- courage, and to the extrem. Courage is the minimum for a soldier, without courage, nothing is possible, even the best intents. For Dark Angels, some say stubborness. Yes maybie, courage to the extrem is stubborness. So instead to look like sympathic folks, Dark Angels have the record of surviving in suspended animation (Brother Silas Err). Because stubborness is also not only in their mind. It's in their bodies too. They are the survivors. Always will be. !

- careful planning so great strategy. Well the Dark Angels are known for careful planning. Careful planning allows to set up troops so that, then, the squads' tactics operate. Strategy should always come first, before tactic. You don't have to use great tactics to survive a bad strategy. And sometimes (or often) even great tactics cannot repair a bad strategy. A commander should always be the best at strategy. Dark Angels are the men. !

- embodies the space marine perfectly. Who wants a power armour, be a warrior for his life-span, with enhanced mind or super strength, ballistic skills and others, and save humanity? This is here my personal opinion, but Dark Angels fit the bill perfectly well, more so than marines of other legions. Well, in the dark laboratory of Mars, they were the first legion created by the Emperor after all, with good reason in my opinion. !

- also to finish this, Dark Angel. Don't they personnify " In the Grim Darkness of the far future, there is only War " that every body is looking for? Or "Desperate battles in the dark millenium? !

I could continue but I don't want to piss off people that didn't choose Dark Angels at first .

So now, I will pass to somebody else, who will tell why his army is the best.

And I will read that and probably approve. :)

[Russ Brother 92]

The key reason why I'd disagree with Dark Angels being the best is because oh so often the First is the one riddled with bugs (Cypher), errors of judgement (Calibanite Angels) and computing errors (Lion El'Johnson's arrogance)... That said all Legions have similar traits in one way or another.

[Legatus]

 

The best legion is the loyal legion.

 

Please, Dark Angel, tell us about the loyalty of a Legion.

[Frosco Toppings]

Clearly the best legions are the Blood Angels and the Thousand Sons because red armour.

[Perrin]

Are you an Ork?

[Olis]

Look, let's be clear - everyone has a favourite Legion for, in the immortal words of Mr. Torgue, REASONS. Well, their own reasons, at least. Each has an appeal and a nuance that the other Legions may not. That's the rub. Everyone has a favourite and it might not be with a same line of thinking as the next guy. With each new publication of material (whether liked or not, whether ignored or not) a new aspect for the featured Legion comes into play which can deepen the complexity of it's appeal. Or lessen it, depending on your POV.

 

Ultimately this sort of thread boils down to playing favourites and the eloquence at the defence of such a stance. The more material one can bring to support their views, then the easier a time they'll have of this - provided it isn't a contradictory or contested piece of information. However this requires effort (or an eidetic memory) and quite often the usual approach will be to simply provide a stance an stick to it. 

 

So, what am I getting at? We now have a twenty page thread on which is the 'best' Legion. There's no right answer. There's no wrong answer. My point is this: Let's not get too involved in any debate on the subject as it is, undoubtedly, an entirely subjective topic. Getting caught up in the minutiae of someone's opinion is a very easy way of getting stressed. 

 

Now with all that said... the Imperial Fists are clearly the best. Because, you know, reasons. ;)

[daveNYC]

I now feel like I should create a chapter of Torgue Marines.  With BIG GUNS that make things EXPLODE!  

[Olis]

I now feel like I should create a chapter of Torgue Marines.  With BIG GUNS that make things EXPLODE!  

 

If they come in Torgue colours, I shall be doubly impressed. ^_^

[AlabasterKnight]

Look, let's be clear - everyone has a favourite Legion for, in the immortal words of Mr. Torgue, REASONS.

Because, you know, reasons.

The II and XI, obviously!

Prove it.

And there you go: Reasons.

[Daddywarcrimes]

 

 

I am the guy that expected Unremembered Empire to be a political intrigue piece.

I like you, as a person.

Glad I'm not the only one who was hoping for that.

[Memento Of Prospero]

The Iron Tenth, because X marks the spot.

[Excessus]

The Iron Tenth, because X marks the spot.

Yeah, it's where you aim... ;)

[Memento Of Prospero]

 

 

The Iron Tenth, because X marks the spot.

Yeah, it's where you aim... ;)

We all need to aim for greatness, yes ;)

[Hyaenidae]

We did. And we hit you every time on Istvaan.

 

Hard to be great when you're face down in the earth, bleeding out, your killer on your back with a hot muzzle against your broken skull, your last view before oblivion being your father being beheaded by his best friend.

 

Yes. Great, indeed.

[Memento Of Prospero]

We did. And we hit you every time on Istvaan.

 

Hard to be great when you're face down in the earth, bleeding out, your killer on your back with a hot muzzle against your broken skull, your last view before oblivion being your father being beheaded by his best friend.

 

Yes. Great, indeed.

Betrayal is a tool for the weak and the deceitful. It is what we do in the face of defeat that true greatness can emerge. The Iron Hands fought back dispitr the loss of their beloved Primarch.

 

What did the Traitors do when defeated? Oh, that's right! They scattered like cockroaches fleeing the light, doomed to be nothing but a thorn in the Imperium's side. No wonder so many claim traitorous Legions during the Heresy. It is the only glimps of glory you will ever have ;)

[GhostMalone]

Let's see you say that when I'm bearing down on you with my chain axe and nails singing in my skull