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[Kol Saresk]

 

 

Actually. this was something funny. I remember when I came into the hobby back in 4th Edition how Nostramo seemed like such a close event to Istvaan. And yet, in the IA article, written back in 3rd Edition, following the destruction of Nostramo, the Night Lords are said to have traveled unimaginable distances, leaving few civilized worlds in their wake "without blemish". The impression is actually given of some serious travel time. Enough travel time to go "unimaginable distances" in the years the Crusade was winding down while coming across, and destroying, many worlds. I mean, could they really travel so far and do so much in only a few months during an age when travel time was usually months between planets when warp-jumping blind? After looking at that just yesterday, the twenty years between Nostramo and Istvaan V, actually makes sense.

 

EDIT: It is kind of funny how we allow our personal beliefs and impressions to color the facts of the fluff and then become surprised when our beliefs and impressions are different from the actual facts.

Wasn't it the case that the Night Lords weren't originally at Isstvan V? If that was still the case, then it woukd all make perfect sense. They went renegade 20 years ago, went missing (in which time they wwre doing that travelling around), and then turned up at Horus' side once open rebellion had begun (but not with everyone assuming they were good guys).

It never said if they were or weren't. Due to lack of mention, it was assumed they weren't at Istvaan. At least, the IA article doesn't say if they were or weren't. All their IA said that was by the time the Emperor decided to do something about them, the Heresy had erupted and the Night Lords had declared their allegiance.

 

And IIRC, in one of the books(I think it might be Fulgrim?) we find out that Dorn had given orders to Ferrus concerning Curze, but we have no idea what was supposed to happen. It is possible these orders were to apprehend Curze after Istvaan V was dealt with.

 

Remember, the IA articles are written in-universe from the point of view of a historian who is highly biased and is working off of very few historical records that exist, most of which are further bias and opinion.

[Kol Saresk]

 

 

It is a bit odd, but considering the scale of things that happen in 30k/40k assaulting another Primarch and destroying a planet aren't too bad. Russ has assaulted at least two brothers, and Night of the Wolf was an actual Legion v Legion skirmish.

 

Blowing up your own homeworld is a bit drastic but I think the fact it was very much a bad egg was common knowledge.

But Horus virus bombing Isstvan III was a shocking enough event to mark the point at which Horus was recognized as a traitor. I know there is a difference in terms of the presence of loyal troops on the ground when the virus bombing happened, but the emphasis always seems to be on the fact of him virus bombing a populated world. That world was in rebellion, whereas Nostromo was loyal. There should have been no coming back for Curze from that - especially from Dorn, who had more reason to hate and mistrust him than anyone else.

That's because Horus wasn't in a habit of destroying worlds. Perturabo butned Olympia what, three years before Istvaan V? And nothing was done against him. The Night Lords were considered stable until Nostramo, but they were still brutal, known to go on purges on any world they came across that didn't meet their expectations. So its not shocking that they would go so far with their own homeworld.

 

But Horus? The speartip that decapitates the head and leaves the rest of the body? Burning not only the body but the world it lived on would be highly out of character.

[Conn Eremon]

I wouldn't say nothing happened to Perturabo. Okay, well technically nothing does.

 

But it is supposed to be the event that cements Perturabo's loyalty to Horus, because by doing it he would never be allowed back into the Imperial fold. It was notable for crossing the line.

[Hyaenidae]

I'm still ticked they didn't bother showing the purge of Olympia, even in passing or short story. A potentially good story was passed up there.

[GhostMalone]

I think they will, the characters need fleshing out, we see horus turn fulgrim but I want to see him turn mort & pert. Angron was a sinch, kurze another easy turn, lorgar & Alpharius were willing but those two in reality shouldn't have been easy

[Wade Garrett]

I think Isstvan 3 shocked everyone due to the fact that four Legions killed their own whilst declaiming "Down with the Emperor! Up with the Warmaster!" than because Horus virus bombed a populated world.

 

The whole point of the Life Eater is to kill populated worlds, and it wouldn't have been the first ball of rock the XVI left spinning lifelessly in their wake.

[Conn Eremon]

I am not sure that the loyalists present are widely known. It did seem to be the use of the virus on this world that had the major impact. According to the original trilogy (Whoa, different finding flashbacks), the act itself was the declaration of rebellion.

 

You are certainly right that the virus had likely been used before, but it was supposed to be extremely rare, and required the Warmaster's specific permission to use. And it wasn't just any world that it was used on. It was a Compliant world that had rebelled.

Like, for instance, Olympia and, I suppose in Curze's eyes, Nostromo. Both of which sealed the deal of a Legion's renegade status.

 

It was basically a giant middle finger directed at Terra.

[Aegnor]

Yeah, exactly. I'd have thought the stuff that Wade mentioned would have been what really grabbed everyone's attention - more than the virus bombing itself. But as Cormac says, it's always the virus bombing itself that seems to be emphasised in the history of the Heresy.

[Phoebus]

Sure. Chapter 17. Scene begins on page 292. Quote happens on page 295.

 

'The Eleventh Primarch sleeps within this pod - still innocent, still pure. I ache to end this now,' he confessed.

 

Malnor chuckled from behind the Chaplain. 'It would certainly save us all a lot of effort wouldn't it?'

 

Hobestly, I don't think it means that much. AD-B has, if I am not mistaken, on multiple occasions said that he at least tries to create conflict concerning either the "Executioners" title or the fate of the II and XI just to keep the mystery a mystery. After all, currently we have three(maybe four) "ideas" of what might have happened and two of them were popped off in the First Heretic as the next page someone suggests the "Ultramarines absorption theory".

 

Thanks for the assist, Kol_Saresk!  I feel so embarrassed for having forgotten that bit... :D

[Kol Saresk]

It's okay, so did Laurie Goulding and he's an editor. :teehee: