corai Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Hail fraters Just a quick question to make sure I understand the army list right. Is it legal for me to take a centurion, give him the forge lord consul, buy a cortex controller (hello me Castellax) and still give him the terminator armour options for the centurion? (I guess so as termi armour isn't prohibited like it I'd for Moritats etc but this seems a little off) Additionally, if I can give him options from the tech marine option, does that mean I can upgrade his servo arm to a conversion Beamer? The idea of a relentless, 4+ invulnerable save chap walking around my backfield with a conversion Beamer seems awesome Cheers Dan Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285308-forge-lord-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Teeth Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 *looks at book...Huh. Well. That's interesting. I see no reason you couldn't have a Cataphractii Forge Lord with a Conversion Beamer, Graviton Gun and Power weapon of choice... and even a Cyber Familiar (2+/3++ !!!). Ouchy. I say no reason, but I mean, probably no reason. It gets a bit fuzzy with the wording on the Terminator options; but it does say in the Forgemaster notes 'additional Techmarine wargear', so it looks like it's still doable. If pushing 200 points, lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285308-forge-lord-question/#findComment-3561766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Seems legit, in fact I was considering a Similar build with a Grav gun (Much more effective against Spartans) for my Iron warriors at one point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285308-forge-lord-question/#findComment-3561770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TemujinZero Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 You can also give them rad grenades and put them in an assault unit. They're a very flexible consul choice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285308-forge-lord-question/#findComment-3561792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Dear god I had no idea forge lords are so awesome! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285308-forge-lord-question/#findComment-3562017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 But modelling them is a $&@?! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285308-forge-lord-question/#findComment-3562128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dono1979 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Certainly can, they are a very flexible unit choice. Some of the Consuls are actually like that, you play around with them a fair bit, however the Forge Lord has the most variety. Keep in mind that if you give him the Cortex Controller you can then bring in TWO units of Thallax, one as Elite and one as Heavy Support. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285308-forge-lord-question/#findComment-3562169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanct Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Certainly can, they are a very flexible unit choice. Some of the Consuls are actually like that, you play around with them a fair bit, however the Forge Lord has the most variety. Keep in mind that if you give him the Cortex Controller you can then bring in TWO units of Thallax, one as Elite and one as Heavy Support. Can you tell me how? (page quote) I'd love to do it... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285308-forge-lord-question/#findComment-3562486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
corai Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 so 200 points for a centurian with Battlesmith, 2+ save, 3+ inv save, rad grenades, cortex controller and a relentless conversion beamer? Pretty pricey but I think I'm gonna give it a hot. I like small elite armies in general (not well suited to HH I'll admit!) so this seems like a good way to not have to paint another full squad! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285308-forge-lord-question/#findComment-3562612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheForgottenAngel Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Wow the modeling possibilities are epic with this character. I may build one just because and in massive games laugh maniacally at the damage he wreaks upon those intent on attacking Luther's finest! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285308-forge-lord-question/#findComment-3562889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dono1979 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Certainly can, they are a very flexible unit choice. Some of the Consuls are actually like that, you play around with them a fair bit, however the Forge Lord has the most variety. Keep in mind that if you give him the Cortex Controller you can then bring in TWO units of Thallax, one as Elite and one as Heavy Support. Can you tell me how? (page quote) I'd love to do it... Sorry I dont have the book on me but in Book 2 it allows a Legion army to field a single Thallax unit as a Heavy Support choice and then if you take a Forge Lord with a Cortex Controller you can take a Thallax unit as an Elite choice, or vice versa. Thus you can actually field two units of Thallax. I will try and find the page numbers when I get home Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285308-forge-lord-question/#findComment-3562965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstalker Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I wrote FW about the whole Cortex Controller/Maniple thing a couple months back and their response was kind of confusing. On page 265 of Massacre, it says that a Legion can take a singleautomata cohort as an elites choice if one model in the army has aCortex Controller. On page 192, where the option to take a CortexController on a Forge Lord is presented, it states that this unit ofCastellax/Thallax can only be taken as a Heavy Support choice, and thatthey may not take Augment upgrades. Which of these two is correct? Thank you for your email. In regards to the cortex controller both ofthese rules are correct, the rule on page 192 only applies when a ForgeLord has the Cortex Controller. And just to make sure I've got it right, a single squad of battleautomata may be taken as a heavy support choice (with no Augmentupgrades) in an army that includes a Forge Lord with a CortexController. However, if a character who is not a Forge Lord is takenand they have a Cortex Controller in their wargear (such as Autek Mor),then they may take said squad with any desired augment upgrades as anelites choices. And an army using the Head of the Gorgon Rite of Warcan take as many Maniples as desired as elites choices, regardless ofthe presence of a Cortex Controller. Right? If a Forge Lord takes a Cortex controller he can take a battle automata with no upgrades as a Heavy Support choice.The Iron Hands Iron Scions, as part of the rite of War - Head of the Gorgon, allows Battle Automata to be taken with upgrades in elite choices, so this counts for any Characters with this Rite of War. Autek Mor is both an Iron Lord and Iron Father, so get to take a Battle Automata with no upgrades as a Heavy Support Choice with his Cortex controller. As far as I can tell, to take Maniples as elites requires that the Cortex Controller be taken by someone who is not a Forge Lord, which is currently impossible. Or done through the IH RoW. ETA: Or maybe a Forge Lord lets you take them as Elites and HQ, and there will later be a choice for a non-forge lord to take a Cortex Controller that would then mean you can only take a maniple as elites. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285308-forge-lord-question/#findComment-3562981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dono1979 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Its the latter, the Forge Lord w/ Cortex unlocks both the Elite and Heavy, As Forge World said in their response, Autek Mor can currently be used and will only unlock the Elite choice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285308-forge-lord-question/#findComment-3563911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstalker Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Its the latter, the Forge Lord w/ Cortex unlocks both the Elite and Heavy, As Forge World said in their response, Autek Mor can currently be used and will only unlock the Elite choice. Except that is the exact opposite of what they said. Autek Mor is both an Iron Lord and Iron Father, so get to take a Battle Automata with no upgrades as a Heavy Support Choice with his Cortex controller. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285308-forge-lord-question/#findComment-3563924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
corai Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 So I went ahead and built a guy to represent the forge lord of Typhon's first company (I guess chief engineer on the Terminus Est?) http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b98/Corai/1841d255-f9e8-4a5d-b62c-d02697574913_zpscdd91212.jpg http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b98/Corai/8d1c6c65-d956-4da1-b78d-edf3f82a852e_zps47fe09cf.jpg and the detail on the conversion beamer http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b98/Corai/b1b4ee7f-c4f9-4313-be2b-01081fffaa70_zps6f712d49.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285308-forge-lord-question/#findComment-3564961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Parts list now!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285308-forge-lord-question/#findComment-3564980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
corai Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share Posted January 10, 2014 Mostly the legion praetor in termi armor (obviously) Antennae from the Icarus lascannon sprue that comes with the bastion kit Servo skull from a grey knight The Beamer is the heavy conversion Beamer weapon arm from the contemptor dreadnought cut back so only the 'barrel' and 'muzzle' are left mounted on the grave warden heavy flamer arm with the nozzles cut off. The flamer nozzles were then stuck on the shoulder pad to make the additional vents/power packs/gubbinz Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285308-forge-lord-question/#findComment-3564984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I'm going to do something similar now :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285308-forge-lord-question/#findComment-3564999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 So I went ahead and built a guy to represent the forge lord of Typhon's first company (I guess chief engineer on the Terminus Est?) http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b98/Corai/1841d255-f9e8-4a5d-b62c-d02697574913_zpscdd91212.jpg http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b98/Corai/8d1c6c65-d956-4da1-b78d-edf3f82a852e_zps47fe09cf.jpg and the detail on the conversion beamer http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b98/Corai/b1b4ee7f-c4f9-4313-be2b-01081fffaa70_zps6f712d49.jpg Bad. Ass. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285308-forge-lord-question/#findComment-3565023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
corai Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share Posted January 10, 2014 Thanks guys, glad you like him :D Looking forward to slapping some paint on him now! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285308-forge-lord-question/#findComment-3565484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StruManChu Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Jeez, Corai... That is something special. I'm quite jealous. Make sure we get some more photos when you're painting him! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285308-forge-lord-question/#findComment-3565498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Holy wow that is amazing! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285308-forge-lord-question/#findComment-3565761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Love him Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285308-forge-lord-question/#findComment-3565762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Teeth Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Stolen! Mine. That idea is now mine and no-one can tell me otherwise. :-o Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285308-forge-lord-question/#findComment-3567805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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