Crynn Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Trying to write a GK list that doesn't involve coteaz and deathcults for a less competitive environment. This is what I came up with, I'd like you thoughts on what you would give it for comp out of 10 where 10 is the softest army ever and 0 is the hardest army every put on a table. HQ Grand Master - Incinerator, blind grenades, digital weapons, mastercrafted force sword, 3x servo skulls Inquisitor - Power armour, 3x servo skulls, psyoculum, psyker Troops Strike Squad - 10 strike knights, 2x psycannon, psybolt ammo, master-crafted demon hammer Strike Squad - 10 strike knights, 2x psycannon, psybolt ammo, master-crafted demon hammer Strike Squad - 10 strike knights, 2x psycannon, psybolt ammo, demon hammer Elites Henchmen Squad - 2x acolyte with plasma gun, 1x mystic, 1x banisher, 5x psyker, 3x acolyte with boltgun 1 Paladin - Master-crafted demon hammer Heavy Support Dread Knight - Heavy Incinerator Dread Knight - Heavy Incinerator Dread Knight - Heavy Incinerator, Great Sword Fortification Defence line with Quad gun All feedback appreciated. Regards, Crynn Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285340-1850-gk-army-looking-for-a-comp-score/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I'm not sure I'd count three NDKs as less competitive. Edit; How about using a range of units. Something like; HQ: GKGM, Servo Skull x3 HQ: OMI, TDA, Psycannon, PML1 Elite: Paladin x5, Psycannon x2 Elite: Purifier x10, NFH, Psycannon x4 Troop: GKT x5, Psycannon Troop: Strike x10, Psybolt Ammo, Psycannon x2 Fast: Stormraven Heavy: Dreadnought Heavy: NDK, H Incinerator This is just shy of 1850, and there's lots of room to customise. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285340-1850-gk-army-looking-for-a-comp-score/#findComment-3562537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Comp is for scrub tournaments. Part of the reason why I don't ever participate in Australian ones, they're infested with amateur rules lawyers trying to 'balance' the game by banning or restricting units or even wargear selections. Looking at your list, I'd give it a 5. You've taken a Grandmaster in a list which already has plenty of scoring bodies (30 is huge for a Knight list, 20 is more common). Strikes are pretty bad in the current meta, so that gives you brownie points. Solodin and terrible Henchmen loadout also further increase your score. However, Aegis+Quad Gun and triple Dreadknight (with free Scout or scoring from Grandmaster) does make your list pretty hard-hitting, so that puts you back. If you wanna get 10 points with Knights, I'd suggest running laspistol Acolytes, running a few Techmarines with close-combat upgrades, and Landraiders for Heavy Support. Oh wait, LR's are still considered OP by the usual whingers, so you'd only get an 8....aha, I know, take Purgators with no special weapons, but halberds and hammers ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285340-1850-gk-army-looking-for-a-comp-score/#findComment-3563067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Or Crowe! I don't think anyone would mark down a Crowe list. Even if it was nothing but MSU 5 man Purifier squads! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285340-1850-gk-army-looking-for-a-comp-score/#findComment-3563378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crynn Posted January 8, 2014 Author Share Posted January 8, 2014 Thanks guys especially Darius for the response, icant believe this site gets so little traffic these days, I used to post here regularly and forums seemed to have many more threads and responses. By the by, Darius I play games with 6 of the top 10 ranked players in my country so I can assure you australian players are not comp hippies, the group I play with is directly responsibly for the huge push in comp in Australia and in Victoria (a state in Australia) there are many no comp tournaments. I have also never heard of an Australian tournament that has ever banned any unit or piece of wargear, no one I know would dare do such a thing. You should come play at 3++ con or something one year and test out the Australian players, is see you there or go to ETC and perhaps we can catch up, I'll be playing for Australia and would love to meet some of the forum names I see all the time! The reason for this comp list is sometimes I get bored of thrashing people with my disgusting lists, it's fine when I play with my very competitive gaming group or I'm at a no comp tourny however sometimes people in store want to give me a game and there is no point to the game when the outcome is so close to set either because their list is just a bunch of random units or they are a new player and just haven't got many games under there belt. Same thing goes for some tournaments, occasionally I just want to throw dice and I wanted to give myself a more challenge army and something of which isn't just terrible but also a list that others would be happy to play against. Other times (most of the time) I just want to take the best list I can, play to the best of my ability and play the game 40k like its a game of chess as that is what I truly enjoy, so when it comes to comp we are in agreement. Perhaps we should have a game? Thanks for the breakdown on my list and the comp you've given it that is much appreciated essentially I was hoping for about a 5 out of 10 so that is great, I must say its weird writing a grey knights list without coteaz! Regards Crynn Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285340-1850-gk-army-looking-for-a-comp-score/#findComment-3563546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 By the by, Darius I play games with 6 of the top 10 ranked players in my country so I can assure you australian players are not comp hippies, the group I play with is directly responsibly for the huge push in comp in Australia and in Victoria (a state in Australia) there are many no comp tournaments. I have also never heard of an Australian tournament that has ever banned any unit or piece of wargear, no one I know would dare do such a thing. You should come play at 3++ con or something one year and test out the Australian players, is see you there or go to ETC and perhaps we can catch up, I'll be playing for Australia and would love to meet some of the forum names I see all the time! Happy to stand corrected :) it's been ages since I've even inquired about local tournaments here. In any case, I don't play often enough to be tournament capable, I'm more of an armchair critic ;) . Glad to see people are getting rid of comp, it's the dumbest idea. The reason for this comp list is sometimes I get bored of thrashing people with my disgusting lists, it's fine when I play with my very competitive gaming group or I'm at a no comp tourny however sometimes people in store want to give me a game and there is no point to the game when the outcome is so close to set either because their list is just a bunch of random units or they are a new player and just haven't got many games under there belt. Same thing goes for some tournaments, occasionally I just want to throw dice and I wanted to give myself a more challenge army and something of which isn't just terrible but also a list that others would be happy to play against. I think it's kinda hard to do a cancer list with Knights, we're just not that powerful anymore. I guess PaladinStar still does the rounds and scares newbz, but it's honestly so meaningless in a world of Riptides, Heldrakes and Serpents. (shrug) Build a list with a mix of stuff I guess, as GL mentioned. Other times (most of the time) I just want to take the best list I can, play to the best of my ability and play the game 40k like its a game of chess as that is what I truly enjoy, so when it comes to comp we are in agreement. Perhaps we should have a game? You in Brisbane? If not we might have to Vassal Thanks for the breakdown on my list and the comp you've given it that is much appreciated essentially I was hoping for about a 5 out of 10 so that is great, I must say its weird writing a grey knights list without coteaz! Yeah, it's hard not being a baller and playing the best SC in the game haha. Maybe try out a Librarian? Daemons are popular these days, sending him or a DK in to 'Dark Excommunicate' that Grimoire they love so much might work. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285340-1850-gk-army-looking-for-a-comp-score/#findComment-3563705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crynn Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 Haha thanks Darius, didn't realize you were even in Australia, i'm down in VIC not QLD however I agree that most of the time comp is stupid however sometimes taking a amore casual army is good. Though there was a time where in australia mainly melbourne where I'm from you got slammed for taking the hard lists, not any more thank god. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285340-1850-gk-army-looking-for-a-comp-score/#findComment-3564391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoDoc Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Or Crowe! I don't think anyone would mark down a Crowe list. Even if it was nothing but MSU 5 man Purifier squads! :) Unlimited Pts - Grey Knights Roster HQ: Castellan Crowe (1#, 150 pts) 1 Castellan Crowe, 150 pts Elite: Venerable Dreadnought (1#, 175 pts) 1 Venerable Dreadnought, 175 pts (Multi-melta; Nemesis Doomfist with Storm Bolter) Elite: Venerable Dreadnought (1#, 175 pts) 1 Venerable Dreadnought, 175 pts (Multi-melta; Nemesis Doomfist with Storm Bolter) Troops: Purifier Squad (9#, 267 pts) 1 Purifier Squad, 267 pts 1 Knight of the Flame (Nemesis Force Halberd) 2 Purifier (Psycannon x2) 4 Purifier (Nemesis Force Halberd x4) 1 Purifier (Nemesis Daemonhammer) 1 Rhino Troops: Purifier Squad (9#, 267 pts) 1 Purifier Squad, 267 pts 1 Knight of the Flame (Nemesis Force Halberd) 2 Purifier (Psycannon x2) 4 Purifier (Nemesis Force Halberd x4) 1 Purifier (Nemesis Daemonhammer) 1 Rhino Troops: Purifier Squad (9#, 267 pts) 1 Purifier Squad, 267 pts 1 Knight of the Flame (Nemesis Force Halberd) 2 Purifier (Psycannon x2) 4 Purifier (Nemesis Force Halberd x4) 1 Purifier (Nemesis Daemonhammer) 1 Rhino Troops: Purifier Squad (9#, 267 pts) 1 Purifier Squad, 267 pts 1 Knight of the Flame (Nemesis Force Halberd) 2 Purifier (Psycannon x2) 4 Purifier (Nemesis Force Halberd x4) 1 Purifier (Nemesis Daemonhammer) 1 Rhino Heavy Support: Dreadnought (1#, 135 pts) 1 Dreadnought, 135 pts (Psybolt Ammunition; Twin-Linked Autocannon x2) Heavy Support: Dreadnought (1#, 135 pts) 1 Dreadnought, 135 pts (Psybolt Ammunition; Twin-Linked Autocannon x2) Total Roster Cost: 1838 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285340-1850-gk-army-looking-for-a-comp-score/#findComment-3564533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Drop a Ven, add another Heavy Dread and upgrade the Rhino's to Razors? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285340-1850-gk-army-looking-for-a-comp-score/#findComment-3564537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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