ZONKEY Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Hi, This could be a silly question but can the sable claw attack in close combat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 No silly questions, but think about it like this: Can a vehicle attack in combat? Find the vehicle section in the rules. Does it have an attacks characteristic? Look at the vehicle stats. Unsurprisingly, only things with, well, attacks, can attack. Unless otherwise specified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZONKEY Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 i would really like to say yes in this case lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akatsuki Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 According to GW's suggested way to build sableclaw Sammael does have a sword i think... SOOOOO... just kidding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 "Fly closer, I want to hit it!" ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cactus Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 "Fly closer, I want to hit it!" ??? That's how it worked in 3rd edition. IIRC, Sammael could make a single S6 attack if he flew over an enemy unit. I'll have to look it up later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facmanpob Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 House Rule: Sammy may jump out of Sableclaw and attack on foot at any time. He may remount Sableclaw at any time using the normal transport rules. Whilst Sammy is disembarked, Sableclaw may move OR shoot, but not both (only 1 bloke left in it)... Hmmm, I may see if my gaming group would go with that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Maybe he should get a HoW attack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cactus Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Maybe he should get a HoW attack? On a vehicle that can't charge? A rule allowing Sable Claw to tank shock (but not ram) might work, perhaps also causing D3 S6 hits if the target fails their morale check. I'm thinking of something similar to the ork deffrolla (is that what they're called?) to represent Sammael slashing away with his sword as he ploughs through the enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanhausen Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Last remaining imperial jetbike: When an enemy unit is within 12" or less of Sabreclaw, it must take a LD test or stand in awe and gasp "oooooooooh, aaaaaaaaaaah" at the technical marvel it represents. This rule does not apply to eldars and dark eldars, who when in the 12" radius will mock and mimmick before moving flat out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother dean Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Last remaining imperial jetbike: When an enemy unit is within 12" or less of Sabreclaw, it must take a LD test or stand in awe and gasp "oooooooooh, aaaaaaaaaaah" at the technical marvel it represents. This rule does not apply to eldars and dark eldars, who when in the 12" radius will mock and mimmick before moving flat out. You are thinking Corvex brother... We are discussing the Land Speeder not the bike which does have an attack characteristic and gets Hammer of Wrath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanhausen Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Last remaining imperial jetbike: When an enemy unit is within 12" or less of Sabreclaw, it must take a LD test or stand in awe and gasp "oooooooooh, aaaaaaaaaaah" at the technical marvel it represents. This rule does not apply to eldars and dark eldars, who when in the 12" radius will mock and mimmick before moving flat out. You are thinking Corvex brother... We are discussing the Land Speeder not the bike which does have an attack characteristic and gets Hammer of Wrath Maybe you're right... Maybe you even smiled when reading my mistaken joke ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother dean Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Maybe I added in a "Causes fear of alien probing" clause in my head... or maybe there are just too many persons out today who really needed to not get out in the snow to drive, open their mouths to ask me stupid questions or who just bitch when someone is doing them a favor.... Sorry brother... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZONKEY Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 So the sable claw seems abut pointless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother dean Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Twin linked weapons at WS5 are far from pointless... how many times do you roll ones twice?.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raztalin Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Twin linked weapons at WS5 are far from pointless... how many times do you roll ones twice?.... Every time my opponent says "Anything but 1's..." Curse this world!!! :-p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZONKEY Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 So is it ever worth taking the sable claw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleax Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I liked the old Master on LS better, a st 6 attack a turn, but it was over-costed by a large margin. Is it worth in right now? Great armour (AV 14) and BS 5 and twin-linked which is kind of redundant. I prefer the plasma cannon of the jet-bike for this HQ. In an army of Land Raiders he would add another AV 14 to the mix, so he might be pretty good in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SvenONE Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 The short answer is no, you can't attack with a vehicle (tank shock/ram excluded), and it's not an open topped transport in which Sammael is riding in (Dais of Destruction/Annihilation Barge) he's piloting it. As for the argument of using Sableclaw over Corvex, it's good for anti-infantry and light vehicle hunting. I hold the opinion that I'd rather have Sammael with an AP2 I5 sword I can attach to a unit, than 2HP (really GW? They figured out how to make the thing AV14, but not give it an extra hullpoint?) Twinlinked AC/HB, predators exist for that purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainKael Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Well. If you are ever want to be that guy take Sableclaw in a 500 pt game with 2 three man RW bike squads and 2 MM attack bikes. Leaves 30 points for other upgrades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ValourousHeart Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 SvenONE, You do know that the speeder has a 4++. So in a way they did figure out how to give an extra HP. I know you all know the difference between T5 and AV14, but when you get on these rants about how much something sucks, you tend to forget that little mechanic. Let me remind you. It only takes S3 in order to cause a wound on T5. It only takes S8 in order to cause damage to AV14. Hmm... that means that when facing an IG army the speeder only has to worry about heavy weapons (Like Missile Launchers, Battle Cannons, Lascannons and Melta weapons.) The Jetbike on the other hand also has to worry about everything in that IG army from lasguns and CCW to every type of heavy weapon. Now this isn't to say that there won't be LOTS of heavy weapons in the typical IG army, it is just to say that it won't be every weapon in the army. But you will find that for every 3 melta guns in a IG Vet squad there will be 6 lasguns and 1 laspistol. So in that one squad you have 3 weapons that can hurt the Land Speeder and 10 that can hurt the Jetbike. But hey if all you are only into marine on marine action then yes the Jetbike is armed for the task. However if you ever face a Chaos Cultists, Eldar, Dark Eldar, Imperial guard, Necrons, Orks, Tau, or Tyranids you will be better served by the speeder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother dean Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Everybody forgets the 4++ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cactus Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Twin linked weapons at WS5 are far from pointless... how many times do you roll ones twice?.... About one time in thirty-six. Everybody forgets the 4++ I'd forgotten it. I can see my almost finished Sableclaw model on the shelf now. "Paint me... paint meeeee..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisuzume Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Twin linked weapons at WS5 are far from pointless... how many times do you roll ones twice?....About one time in thirty-six. Not really. THe chance of rolling a 1 is around 29% on GW-dice, or almost 1/3rd the time, so the chance of a re-roll landing on a 1 is equally larger. CBA to do the math though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother dean Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Everybody forgets the 4++ I'd forgotten it. I can see my almost finished Sableclaw model on the shelf now. "Paint me... paint meeeee..." I know I have forgotten it several times... My Sableclaw pre-dates Corvex and I just havent got round to getting a jetbike yet... Twin linked weapons at WS5 are far from pointless... how many times do you roll ones twice?....About one time in thirty-six. Not really.THe chance of rolling a 1 is around 29% on GW-dice, or almost 1/3rd the time, so the chance of a re-roll landing on a 1 is equally larger. CBA to do the math though. First thing... Throw the GW/Chessex dice away. Get dice with pointy-er corners. They dont HAVE to be casino dice and most games stores have a dice bin you can fish around in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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