Stormborn Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I really like the pre Mortarion Dusk Raiders and am thinking about using the name and colour scheme for a 40K Space Marine army. I have tio wonder whether the powers that be in the imperium would sanction this or would they be censured due to their later infamy as Morty's Death Guard? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285391-usiing-the-dusk-raiders/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kierdale Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 There is the question of how many, by the time of the 41st millennium and after all the purges of data related to chaos and the traitor legions, actually know about the 'Dusk Warriors' name. And it brings to mind the tendency for some cultures and/or religions to make their own festivals on the same days as those of the cultures/religions they are trying to crush and replace. Make a new Dusk Raiders in order to remove any lingering memories of the old ones, perhaps? Then on the other hand you have the extreme superstition of the Imperium of Man, which might see reusing the name as an ill omen. Personally I say that if you do it well, there shouldn't be anything to complain about. In fact it could give your chapter quite an interesting background. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285391-usiing-the-dusk-raiders/#findComment-3563909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Tiberius Jackhammer Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I recall a piece of writing about how sometimes Chapters wind up with nigh-identical colours/naming coincidentally (Silver Skulls and Iron Warriors, for instance). Maybe go with that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285391-usiing-the-dusk-raiders/#findComment-3563981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormborn Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 Thanks guys I think you're right I can probably get away with using the Dusk Raider. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285391-usiing-the-dusk-raiders/#findComment-3564586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Acid Dog Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 They are pretty cool, aren't they? You could almost certainly get away with using the same/similar color scheme. As for the name, and naming them as "loyalist Death Guard..." I would refrain from that. It would probably leave some people gnashing their teeth and screaming bloody murder. Check out the Guide to DIYing, specifically the Do's/Dont's and Cliches/Lazy Plot Devices. I'd say change the name and theme up a bit to show some interesting similarities between them and the old Dusk Raiders, but don't outright declare them to be descendants. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285391-usiing-the-dusk-raiders/#findComment-3564608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormborn Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 I was thinking of making them a White Consuls or Sons of Orar successor from the 26th Founding. I just planning to use the name, colours and some combat style influence from the Dusk Raiders. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285391-usiing-the-dusk-raiders/#findComment-3564695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazorDaemon Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 The scheme itself, go for it, as has been mentioned with all the chapters, schemes often to resemble another one somewhere. As far as the exact name, that is indeed iffy. While the name may not be widely known, it may come back from Terra as "No. Pick another name. Don't question it." Same goes for an identical Chapter Emblem. While eradicated or lost records could be argued, I personally would suggest avoiding the exact same name and Chapter Emblem, even just a slight tweak would do it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285391-usiing-the-dusk-raiders/#findComment-3565257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nephilim Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 The scheme itself, go for it, as has been mentioned with all the chapters, schemes often to resemble another one somewhere. As far as the exact name, that is indeed iffy. While the name may not be widely known, it may come back from Terra as "No. Pick another name. Don't question it." Same goes for an identical Chapter Emblem. While eradicated or lost records could be argued, I personally would suggest avoiding the exact same name and Chapter Emblem, even just a slight tweak would do it. This. A little bit of thin platicard or minor greenstuffing should deviate the chapter symbol and make it unique enough to look original. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285391-usiing-the-dusk-raiders/#findComment-3565413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormborn Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share Posted January 10, 2014 Unfortunately, my skills with green stuff and plasticard are well below non-existent. So I will probably have to use a transfer or some etched brass for chapter emblems, given that I'm going to use ultramarine geneseed I might use a skull inside an ultramarine symbol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285391-usiing-the-dusk-raiders/#findComment-3565777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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