recon0321 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Do the forge world books mention anything about neophytes? We're they not combat ready until full astartes status? Etc.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285407-neophytes-during-the-heresy/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Not sure, but I think back in the heresy neophytes did not have to go through the "scout" phase and were instead armed with PA and bolter and fought in the tactical squads. At least thats the way I see it. I can image the VI legion (space wolves) might have followed the same sistem asm they still do in the 41st millenium Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285407-neophytes-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3564430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komrk Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I've also wondered about that because Reconaissance is covered by Recon Marines so there aren't scouts so I would imagine that they would train until they were ready to become full blown astartes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285407-neophytes-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3564431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Im think there was no 'novice' period. You did your training and then became a full Astartes. Being a scout first was one of Guillimans things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285407-neophytes-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3564434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilmerlin Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 The novel Scars indicates that the neophytes went through a complete training cycle and graduated as full Marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285407-neophytes-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3564482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kais Klip Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 So does Scars, the sucessful applicants train and then are ceremoniosly inducted into the Legion under a particular Sergeant, and they already train with their own power armour and weapons after they pass the trials to be inducted. There doesn't seem to be any progression a la Codex; you're fitted where there is a need, bar obvious exceptions like Veteran Squads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285407-neophytes-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3564519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
recon0321 Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share Posted January 10, 2014 Ok thanks for the info brothers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285407-neophytes-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3565156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Descent of Angels also reinforces that position. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285407-neophytes-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3565198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebus Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 As does Fallen Angels. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285407-neophytes-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3565326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barabbas Sogalon Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 The Legions were made up of thousands of Astartes, not in 40k where the Chapters are so small that they can't risk sending new recruits directly to the front lines. That, and to me the Legions are more like a proper military force with all that knightly-order-stuff coming with Guilliman's ramblings post Heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285407-neophytes-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3565328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisuzume Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I beg your pardon? I dare say that the Legio I has some knightly order stuff before Guilliman's mumblings. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285407-neophytes-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3565367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Didn't you know? Guilliman made all the Chapters into knights. Then he infected the Blood Angels with the Black Rage and Red Thirst. He also caused the Space Wolves to become obsessed with their totem animal, lost the seven artifacts of Vulkan, and told the Iron Hands they needed to have more metal parts and less empathy. When asked what he was doing, he told the questioner "It all makes perfect sense if you understand LOGISTICS like I do" then backhanded the questioner across the room. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285407-neophytes-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3565568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badaboom Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I recently re-read Fear to Tread and there´s a clear mention of a "young scout"; not sure if he´s also defined as a novice, but he´s addressed by Sargeant Cassiel and other Marines with little or no protocol, so it seems to me that his rank is under regular Marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285407-neophytes-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3565611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 It is likely that the Codex codified practices at least partially present already. So while many Legions might not have, others might have a similar approach as their 40k counterparts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285407-neophytes-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3565655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molokai Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 In galaxy in flames there's scouts using sniper rifles on isstvan iii. It doesn't give any more info than that though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285407-neophytes-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3582174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Branne's whining about being put in charge of scouts when Corax names him Master of Recruits in Deliverance Lost suggests that at least some Legions practiced that procedure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285407-neophytes-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3582183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperialis_Dominatus Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Some Legions may have, but the Codex, er, codified it, standardizing the process. A lot of Codex reforms were put in place to prevent another Heresy, and though I can't name a source, some fluff-related neuron cluster is telling me that the vetting, testing, training, and field-testing (Scout period) of neophytes was extended and made more dangerous (to say nothing of the degeneration of such practices adding more danger) in order to more fully weed out weak of body or spirit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285407-neophytes-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3582195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 In Betrayer, Ultra Marine recruits are training in separate battalions under veteran instructors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285407-neophytes-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3582320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 In fear to tread, blood angels have neophytes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285407-neophytes-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3582322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I seem to recall in one of the first heresy books the luna wolves talk of promoting some marines from the scout auxillia to the line companies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285407-neophytes-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3582359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molokai Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I wonder where forgeworld stand in this. New scout minis? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285407-neophytes-during-the-heresy/#findComment-3582414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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