chosen40k Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 So what are some good AA choices in Betrayal? There are a lot of really good ones in Massacre but it's gonna be a while until I get the book for my own. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285437-anti-air-choices-in-betrayal/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Heavy support squads with a divination librarian! Storm eagles. Whirlwind squadrons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285437-anti-air-choices-in-betrayal/#findComment-3565161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstalker Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 jeremy got most of it. Heavy Support Squads. If you're going missile launchers anyways, just buying Flakk for the squad is cheaper than getting a Librarian to buff them. But if you need an HQ anyway, might as well, I guess. Storm Eagles. Flying Land Raider. With twice the transport capacity. Shame about the reputed casting quality, though. I don't quite cotton to WW Helios squadrons being much good. Quite expensive for a single krak missile shot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285437-anti-air-choices-in-betrayal/#findComment-3565184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Flakk missiles dont cut it against Astartes Air though, Ceastus' are a continuous problem that ive eventually turned to Lascannon Bunkers for. Failing that, Predators +LIbrarian to glance them out of the sky :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285437-anti-air-choices-in-betrayal/#findComment-3565354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstalker Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Well, mathematically, the flakk missiles outperform krak missiles + prescience even vs AV12 while being cheaper. 5 Prescienced Krak Missiles vs AV12 flyer (255 points) 1.527 hits, 0.763 glance+ (0.509 pen) 5 Flakk Missiles vs AV12 flyer (210 points) 3.333 hits, 1.111 glance+ (0.555 pen) Neither is really my preferred choice for anti-air (I like a twin TLLC Contemptor Mortis for that), but of the two the flakk missiles will give better performance against even AV12 and will do it for 45 points less. However, if we examine the proposed squadron of 3 Hyperios Whirlwinds... 3 Hyperios Missiles vs AV12 flyer (225 points) 2 hits, 1.0 glance+ (0.666 pen) So, comparable to the flakk missile option but also slightly more expensive - and it uses up your only available artillery squadron. Also, its usefulness against things besides flyers is quite limited, where a missile launcher heavy support squad is good against light infantry, power armored infantry, light and medium vehicles, monstrous creatures. Really only struggles vs AV14 and 2+ saves. So, the last option is the Storm Eagle. Just going by the lascannon-armed loadout, we get... 2 Twin-linked Lascannons vs AV12 flyer (250 points) 1.777 hits, 1.184 glance+ (0.888 pen) So, this is probably the best anti-air choice in the list. It uses a FA slot instead of a valuable heavy support slot, it is difficult to kill, it has the best chances of killing an enemy flyer, and it can transport one of your squads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285437-anti-air-choices-in-betrayal/#findComment-3565804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheForgottenAngel Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Um Fire Raptor is the tits for anti-air Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285437-anti-air-choices-in-betrayal/#findComment-3566041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Um Fire Raptor is the tits for anti-airYeah its rules are in PDF on the website aren't they? So you could get Betrayal(if you don't have it already) and then just print them. That is how it works, right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285437-anti-air-choices-in-betrayal/#findComment-3566045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstalker Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Um Fire Raptor is the tits for anti-airYeah its rules are in PDF on the website aren't they? So you could get Betrayal(if you don't have it already) and then just print them. That is how it works, right? I thought the website rules were still experimental, and you had to get the new IA book for the official rules? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285437-anti-air-choices-in-betrayal/#findComment-3566078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I don't know, that's why I put up question marks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285437-anti-air-choices-in-betrayal/#findComment-3566082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TemujinZero Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 The pdf rules are actually current for both 30k and 40k. The printed IA rules were botched and are not relevant to 30k anyway. The 30k rules may be updated in the next HH book, but so far the pdf is all we have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285437-anti-air-choices-in-betrayal/#findComment-3566228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
coloroutofspace Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Anyone willing to do Mathammer for the Fire Raptor for comparison? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285437-anti-air-choices-in-betrayal/#findComment-3567097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstalker Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Anyone willing to do Mathammer for the Fire Raptor for comparison? Sure. TL Avenger Bolt Cannon vs AV12 flyer 6.222 hits, 1.037 glance+ (0.0 pen), .0 chance of explosion ...vs AV11 6.222 hits, 2.074 glance+ (1.037 pen), .172 chance of explosion ...vs AV10 6.222 hits, 3.111 glance+ (2.074 pen), .344 chance of explosion One Reaper Battery vs AV12 flyer 2.888 hits, 0.962 glance+ (0.481 pen), .080 chance of explosion ...vs AV11 2.888 hits, 1.443 glance+ (0.962 pen), .160 chance of explosion ...vs AV10 2.888 hits, 1.924 glance+ (1.443 pen), .240 chance of explosion I can't think of a situation where you'll actually get to use both Reaper Batteries against the same flyer at the same time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285437-anti-air-choices-in-betrayal/#findComment-3567542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Anyone willing to do Mathammer for the Fire Raptor for comparison? Sure. TL Avenger Bolt Cannon vs AV12 flyer 6.222 hits, 1.037 glance+ (0.0 pen), .0 chance of explosion ...vs AV11 6.222 hits, 2.074 glance+ (1.037 pen), .172 chance of explosion ...vs AV10 6.222 hits, 3.111 glance+ (2.074 pen), .344 chance of explosion One Reaper Battery vs AV12 flyer 2.888 hits, 0.962 glance+ (0.481 pen), .080 chance of explosion ...vs AV11 2.888 hits, 1.443 glance+ (0.962 pen), .160 chance of explosion ...vs AV10 2.888 hits, 1.924 glance+ (1.443 pen), .240 chance of explosion I can't think of a situation where you'll actually get to use both Reaper Batteries against the same flyer at the same time. Do a barrel roll. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285437-anti-air-choices-in-betrayal/#findComment-3567618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheForgottenAngel Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 You have to also think about the survivability of the fire raptor but the math looks good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285437-anti-air-choices-in-betrayal/#findComment-3567639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theis Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Fire Raptor also has 4 str8 missiles. Really just another factor to consider, and probably making it a bit stronger of a choice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285437-anti-air-choices-in-betrayal/#findComment-3568146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TemujinZero Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 But those missiles are ordnance, which messes with the main gun. The Lightning is a far stronger choice for AA. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285437-anti-air-choices-in-betrayal/#findComment-3568404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Screw Mathhammer. Primaris-Class Lightning Fighter for the win, on sheer awesomeness. Super sexy reverse-delta wing fighter piloted by a Legionary? Hells yes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285437-anti-air-choices-in-betrayal/#findComment-3568409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I wants one Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285437-anti-air-choices-in-betrayal/#findComment-3568419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstalker Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Screw Mathhammer. Primaris-Class Lightning Fighter for the win, on sheer awesomeness. Super sexy reverse-delta wing fighter piloted by a Legionary? Hells yes. But that's in Massacre, and we're talking about choices in Betrayal. =p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285437-anti-air-choices-in-betrayal/#findComment-3568488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Mortis contemptor with interceptor and skyfire Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285437-anti-air-choices-in-betrayal/#findComment-3568493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TemujinZero Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 But the regular Mortis Dreadnought can load up on HK missiles for unlimited range interceptor (if it's still alive). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285437-anti-air-choices-in-betrayal/#findComment-3568500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBA Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Screw Mathhammer. Primaris-Class Lightning Fighter for the win, on sheer awesomeness. Super sexy reverse-delta wing fighter piloted by a Legionary? Hells yes. Are they? I remember reading they were piloted by humans or drones. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285437-anti-air-choices-in-betrayal/#findComment-3568513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Only Legionaries and Ordo Reductor can handle the stresses of the Primaris at full thrust and shift. The first two I buy will be piloted by Legionary's Maverick and Goose. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285437-anti-air-choices-in-betrayal/#findComment-3568633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I think the Thunderhawk is probably the best anti air in Betrayal ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285437-anti-air-choices-in-betrayal/#findComment-3568635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 If you mean because all of the spalling and shrapnel and oil-black smoke in the air as it burns and spirals towards the ground being hazardous to others within that airspace, then yeah. Sure. :P Me? I wouldn't bring a flying skyscraper onto a Heresy era battlefield. I enjoy breathing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285437-anti-air-choices-in-betrayal/#findComment-3568642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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